Crime Seen | Episode 93: LOVER, STALKER, KILLER

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[00:00:24] Will Trent, new Tuesdays, 8-? We watched lover stalker killer on Netflix. It was directed by Sam Hobkinson, who also you. Thank you. I'm getting to talk about this bananas case. This is banana so let's jump straight in. This is the case. In November 2012 Liz Golia murdered Carrie Fava then spent the next three years pretending to be her while sending tens of thousands of texts and emails to Dave Krupa who both had dated as well as Carrie overall of this documentary? I thought it was great. So I very much already knew this case because it was one of the first date lines we ever covered back in 2017 when we started the podcast. And it was called Scorned.

[00:04:20] It was hosted by Keith Morrison.

[00:04:21] So the things I tend to remember from episodes

[00:04:24] are like very weird things.

[00:04:25] Like I remember Dave investigator Tony so well and I remember he followed us on Twitter back in 2017 and I checked and he was following us and I got so freaking excited. I remember how excited I was. That was like our first time somebody from the show like knew who we were.

[00:05:42] It was just so exciting.

[00:05:43] No, I thought it was great.

[00:05:45] This case should have been a documentary. Um, but I thought it was, I, I thought it was great storytelling. I feel like Kimberly might be right if you don't know the case. My, okay, my husband was watching it with me. And I'm like, I know he knows the case because I know we watched that episode together. I thought, well, at least I thought we watched, you know, the, that chapter together, but he was watching it and he was like, what?

[00:07:00] Like he, he, it wasn't until it was over that I told him I was like, yeah,

[00:07:04] you should know the case.

[00:07:05] We watched it.

[00:07:05] So, um, but I, I think that they did in more to Amy being a suspect and they really played that up and made it seem like the police really thought it was Amy and that, well, Liz came and filed a police report against her, I guess, and said, she's the one that's been stalking me. I thought it was Carrie, but it's Amy and this was before she shot herself.

[00:08:22] And so they brought in Amy and gave her a polygraph

[00:08:26] and I guess yeah you're trying to indicate but of course the police had come to her to talk about her safety and the safety of her children. Overall I had some difficulties with this and I think it's hard to describe for me

[00:10:43] So it wasn't really fat enough for me. And then I wonder if you're a casual coming to it.

[00:10:46] That might be why maybe it's pitched at

[00:10:50] this new raft of viewers that Netflix has

[00:10:53] by throwing money at true crime cases.

[00:10:56] And if I think about it like that,

[00:10:58] then I think I'm less critical of it.

[00:11:02] But they did things like I even wrote,

[00:11:04] just let us hear the verdict without cutting into editorializing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a really like like the two women pass each other with two actors playing that there was sort of wheat fields and outside of houses and cars driving and I actually really liked, how long have I been doing my podcast? Seven years. I mean, I don't can't do math. Yeah, he was much younger than, but he was still just this average guy. Yeah, yeah. So it's so strange. Funny. Yeah. He's also very chill about the whole thing.

[00:13:41] Like, it's funny that they used him

[00:13:43] and not like a more dynamic person

[00:13:46] because he's very calm about everything. case, no matter what. So basically the police can't do anything until something happens. And if Liz wasn't so ridiculous, you know, she could have gotten away with it because, you know, all of the inciting, like she just kept taking it a step too far to the police had to get involved almost, you know what I'm saying? Like, again, not trying to give

[00:15:02] advice to criminals, but it was just like, why are you doing that? And then at thought, but it actually could be anyone. It's about Liz. I would have, I mean, I don't, I would have liked a little more delving into the broader world of stalking, what impels it, what stalkers have in common, what they're looking for.

[00:16:23] But now that I've decided what I think the case because it consumed me in the same way that it did Tony. Murray, talk about Jim Dotty, who will not take his hat off. I wrote, take your hat off. Quite apart from anything else, we cannot see your face

[00:17:41] or documentarians throw a light up onto his face.

[00:17:45] So hat and mustache ratings from both of you. police had to come to him because David just says whatever. Crazy stalker 120. They're always going. That's for me. It's funny. Ladies be crazy, right? But like the plea like y'all didn't do anything like y'all didn't look for a car. You know, the whole time I was there sooner.

[00:19:02] Exactly.

[00:19:03] I hadn't realized her apartment had nothing with her. It really was because she had a history of mental health issues and they just said she's bipolar. Obviously she's going to just skip down, leave her son, not talk to her dad when he dies, not go to his funeral. Yeah, that's her mental health. I think they just brush it out. I think give him, but not black, usually not black, they're usually white. So I give it 10 out of 10. Oh, goodness, the combo is seducing you. So here's the sergeant at the wonderfully named

[00:21:40] Potter Watamee Police Department

[00:21:42] and Ron Avers and Tony Carba are the investigators.

[00:21:45] So we sort of get the overview from Jim interview room after her arrest and after just denying a couple of things I never saw the car I was never in the car she says lawyer I thought yeah okay not dumb yeah Murray did you think that they my dad. I don't find it egregious like the girl in the picture. So I honestly feel like it was almost like kind of with American nightmare in a sense of like we're seeing the story as the main players see it.

[00:24:20] Like they're walking us through it as the main players are getting it and it didn't

[00:24:24] feel icky to me. from a newbie point of view, from a slightly, it's not fictionalized, but influenced by fictional films, then I find it better. But that pacing of that last 20 minutes, Kimberly, what did you think of the structure? Yeah, I think they spent a lot of time with Dave at the beginning. And they, I think maybe left out some of the details.

[00:25:42] This case is just crazy, it really is.

[00:25:45] So maybe they stretched in the places they shouldn't have going a lot more into like the things like Liz used the credit card. She stole her credit card from her and used it to like help dispose. Like where did she, the body, the disposal, the killing, like stuff like that. They didn't really spend a lot of time on. I remember just, I was just an hour curtain with, uh, with Carrie's credit card and like

[00:27:02] put it up in her apartment.

[00:27:04] Like she did it like very weird stuff.

[00:28:07] that's a yig yag tattoo. Oh yeah. And like I remember we thought that was the funniest thing ever. So like that became important. There were just like I think but again I think those are

[00:28:14] details for chronic date line watchers who love details like that instead of like what I think

[00:28:22] Sarah you've nailed it like for people that are just want a crazy story and they don't need to

[00:29:25] the very ugly description of the disposal of the body, Mary. What do you think?

[00:29:25] Because her descriptions are very ugly.

[00:29:28] Right, that's what I was thinking too.

[00:29:29] Because yeah, that chapter did actually post the emails

[00:29:36] that explained what she did to Carrie

[00:29:39] and all of the misspellings and stuff like that.

[00:29:42] And actually, that chapter put up the photo of her

[00:30:43] to Carrie's family, her son, Dateline was much more focused on her son and how he felt left and abandoned by his mom

[00:30:48] and her mom.

[00:30:51] But this one at the end when she calls the investigators,

[00:30:55] her boys, like then I thought they were more victim-focused

[00:30:59] at the very end.

[00:31:02] Yes.

[00:31:03] Well, for further properties,

[00:31:05] then we'll put these in the show notes.

[00:31:06] There's the that chapter YouTube video. use your math skills for good as an actuary. The world needs you. So how many magnifying glasses are you going to rate lava, stalker, killer out of a possible five, Kimber? Well, I felt like I missed some things, definitely. You'd probably tell that I zoned out a bit and I can't tell if it's because

[00:32:23] just the day I'm having, like I it. Like, I would have loved a lot more in depth to some of the crazier things that Liz did. Cause I mean, we barely even talked about her, but Liz Gollier, the woman who committed all of this, like just again, I'm just astounded at her ability

[00:33:43] to keep something up for three years and then pit it. sometimes have a general idea. I think I was much more down on it with a lower rating coming in, but discussing it with the two of you and shifting the lens to it being a softer, entry-level true crime documentary on Netflix. Once I do that, I'm not sure that I would change much,

[00:35:02] I would tighten up the end, but I would say,

[00:35:03] yep, let it run just like that.

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