Crime Seen | Episode 117: Daughters

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[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Sarah Karadine podcasting from Unceded Gannagall Land.

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[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Last week we watched Sasha Reed and the Midnight Audit, Mari, all five episodes of it.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: All five.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: All five.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I said we would do for a good one.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So what have you got for us this week?

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: This week we watched Daughters on Netflix.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It was directed by Natalie Ray and Angela Patton.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And Angela Patton is the CEO of Girls for a Change, where they're preparing black girls for the world and the world for black girls.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And world get ready for two more black girls making her third appearance after Pretty Baby in Crush.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_05]: It's Chantel Francis.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Hi. Oh my goodness.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I am so happy to be here.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: This movie was directed by someone who I've known for the last 20 years.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw it at the premiere for Toronto at TIF in Toronto.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I've been watching this story for the last eight years.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So Natalie's been working on it for eight years.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't even remember that she was still working with it because she lives in LA.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I just heard that it was all coming together and they're going to be at Sundance.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they won the audience favorite or audience choice award at Sundance.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh my God, what's going on?

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this was an idea that I had heard little rumblings about about eight years ago.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And to see it come to fruition and to see all the work that's gone into it.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And then all the love and the stories that she's been so dedicated to for the last eight years.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I had to come and talk about it because it really is close to my heart.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm extremely happy to be here.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And joining the Five Timers Club, it's Lataya Starks.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Lataya, how are you?

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm good.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Are we going to get jackets for the Five Timers?

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Jackets for the 10 Thomas.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. Yeah.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Get an imaginary mug.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Mugs for that imaginary mugs.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_05]: That's where we're at.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Lataya, thank you for joining us.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Chantel, thank you for joining us.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't wait to hear all of your insider knowledge.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Should I say.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_05]: So let's dive in and let's talk about the documentary.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_05]: So this documentary is an hour and 48 minutes.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It follows four young girls as they prepare for a special daddy daughter

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: dance with their incarcerated fathers.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_05]: This is part of a unique fatherhood program in a Washington, DC jail.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Chantel, you said you've known Natalie Ray for almost 20 years.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Can you tell us a little bit more about your connection and response to the

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_05]: film?

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So when I was living in Montreal,

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: she was living with my best friend and I had a fire in my apartment.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So I ended up moving into their apartment for a couple of months.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'd always had known Natalie, but like we weren't we weren't super close.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we worked in restaurants that were across the street from each other.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We're in the same kind of friend group.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We, you know, she lived with my best friend.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And so we'd stayed connected.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And when I first moved to Vancouver,

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Natalie's I stayed at Natalie's mom's house and I lived in her bedroom

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_02]: before she grew up.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So I definitely have been connected with Natalie for the last,

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess 19 years.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we met in 2005.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I remember back in Montreal days when she was still in a film

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: program and she was doing her first documentary film.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It was about this beautiful black dancer.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And she was always just interested in telling store visual stories.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And so she had moved to LA.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I hadn't really seen her that often.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Most recently, well, second to most recently,

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw her at my best friend's wedding.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We were both the bridesmaids and you know, I'd see her there.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I got to see her at the premiere when it came to Toronto.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I just I've known her for so long.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I've known that she's worked as a director and I knew that she

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: had started this project, but I didn't really realize that it was

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: an eight year journey.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was an eight year journey.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: She was with these girls and so many people told her like,

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: you're going to have to stop maybe just make it a small

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: short film or something like that.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, no, like this, no, I need to tell these stories.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I've made promises to these young girls that I'm going to have

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: their stories be told.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: She's been with them.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They've been growing up with her as well.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And so even at all the premieres, a lot of the girls were able

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: to come.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They brought Sundance.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to meet Angela in Toronto and it's just been it's just

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: been so celebrated.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's such a testament to her originally seeing the TED

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: talk that Angela had about girls for a change.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And that inspired her and she approached Angela being like,

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to tell this story.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And they've been working together for those eight years,

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of knows, but she persevered.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that they really, really came together with

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: something that is super beautiful.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's just touched the hearts of so many,

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: including my own for sure.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Latanya as our resident like Academy Award Whisperer.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_05]: What are we thinking about the chances of daughters here?

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: This documentary has a really,

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_03]: really good chance of getting shortlisted for an Academy Award.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, the director is directing.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_03]: There are so many beautiful shots and transitions in this

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: movie that it's just, it's ridiculous.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it is just the way that it is framed is so poignant.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so up close and personal with all of the people

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_03]: that are involved in it.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That you feel like you know all of these, these people personally.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that's something that's really important

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_03]: when you are talking about documentary films for an Academy

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Award, for example, you want to feel like you know the

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: people who are the subject of the film.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It also has to be something that's really timely,

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_03]: which obviously like, I don't think that this could get

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_03]: more timely.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's something that like black families have had to go

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_03]: through for generations now.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And it is one of those things that is just like being brought

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: to the fore as like a true problem that is corrupting

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: the black family structure.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's that.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there's, you know, you've got to have like a good

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_03]: drawing and I don't know who is a better drawing than

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Little Aubrey from the second that she came on the screen.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I started crying.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about you all, but I cried for the entirety

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: of this documentary.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So what I saw in the theater of a tip and so it was actually

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: wasn't at the film festival.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It was at Tiff Lifebox, which is a theater that shows a lot

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: of film festival movies.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So sorry just to make that clear.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I didn't realize I didn't bring that much Kleenex,

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but I was sitting beside a stranger.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a couple of friends to the right of me and like

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: my Kleenex was just all soggy like napkin woman beside

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: me who I do not know at all just reaches in her purse.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It gives me a whole stack of Kleenex because I was

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: balling and at the very end of the career, I'd finally

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: had gotten myself together and to exit the theater.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were doing a question and answer with

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Natalie and Angela and Natalie's dad was in the audience

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and so she's like, I just needed to dedicate this

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: to my dad who's inspired.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And like, I just started crying again.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, Natalie, you really just take it every last year.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I'm going to get every last one from you.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Sarah, what are your overall thoughts of this documentary?

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is just, it's just brilliant.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't even want to rate it.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so good if you know what I mean.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I cried a lot of the times through it.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I really connected to Santana.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: She was she was my girl.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're all amazing but really unexpected moments

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: of emotion when Angela tells the men that her father has

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: polished their shoes for the dance.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I just about went then.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the just the texture of this film, the

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: the feeling, the warmth, the it's very, very, very

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: tactile and it's something new, I think in terms of a

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: documentary, it takes its time without feeling at all

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: laboured.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And I learnt so much without feeling like I was being told

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and compelled to hear and the film had so much breath in it

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: allowed me to have my own thoughts and my own, you know,

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: shame for what's what's been done and thinking about what

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: can change in particular just the cast or system is

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: already a punishment.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to punish people inside it any further.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But they do exactly one of my thoughts.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, your thoughts.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Man this documentary like I was like I don't want to feel

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_05]: emotions like why are we doing this?

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't I don't feel like it today.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's one of those things as I'm watching I'm like my

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: God this like these stories like like you said you can

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_05]: you just feel like you're there.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I I mean I don't know any of the technical aspect of stuff

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I should have asked my husband he went to school for photography

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_05]: and film but just how it was shot like the grainy texture

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: of how it was shot made it feel like kind of like old but not

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_05]: in a bad way it's like so hard to explain it just she

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: shot on film.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: She did use that.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Beautiful.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what it that's what it felt like if it felt so

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_05]: realistic like just so there like none of the HD polish type

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_05]: crap like it just felt so gritty.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah and like starting with seeing the men in the

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_05]: circle and they're going through this 10 week program

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's a countdown to them to the two through the

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_05]: 10 week program to the dance with their daughters.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean I loved every aspect of how she she set this up and

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_05]: we are like full context like we had planned to do this

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_05]: documentary before Chantel had even told us that she was

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_05]: friends with the the the filmmaker like we are not

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_05]: just sitting here you know being over compliment over

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_05]: complimentary because we know like she knows this is a

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_05]: good documentary like I mean stare have been starving

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: for some good properties and this has it all with it being

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_05]: like true crime centric is not it's not crime but like

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_05]: dealing with the incorporeal system like we're saying and

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_05]: and all the many effects and generational effects it has

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_05]: on it and we had we had already planned to do this and

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_05]: we were just lucky that Chantel was had was able to jump

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_05]: on with us but this is like legit stop what you're

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_05]: doing right now turn us off go and watch it and then

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_05]: come right back.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I basically like to every single person I knew

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: it I was like you have to watch this you have to

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: watch this you have to watch this.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes because it's a story that you know we've seen

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: elements of this kind of story before but it really

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: really connect I connected deeply with it and yes I

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: was crying right after I watch it while I was

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: watching it but then I went to sleep and I woke up

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: so emotional realizing the relationship that I have

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: with my father that you know I thought that I was

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: okay with like he's still in my life but when I

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: was about Aubrey's age he decided to move to

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: the States and you know we didn't have the same

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: relationship anymore he wasn't he never went to any

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: of my recitals and I was in thousands and he never

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: you know there was one time that that I really got

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: me emotional I kind of was dreaming about it when

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I woke up upset that I had this one recital that

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: he had promised me that he was going to be in town

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: for and he was going to come and I remember

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: dancing and I was looking outside in the audience

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and where the seats were he wasn't there and I

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: didn't realize that it had broken my heart but I

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: just kind of pushed it aside and you move on

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and you grow up and you thank you forgive

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: but then you realize that there's something

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: there's some unhealed trauma that has gone there

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: with the feeling maybe of abandonment or not

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: being loved or not being there when he said

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: he was going to be there you know that it's

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of like it wasn't an intentional lie

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: he got caught up but for me as a young girl

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: like it was just a broken promise and I feel

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: like I really connected with Aubrey because

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: he said he was coming back sooner and then he

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: got a longer stay and it was a broken promise

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: like he couldn't do anything about it but he

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: broke a promise to her and I think that she

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: just had to put that wall up around her heart

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: because she was hoping so much to see him

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: sooner and now to know that it was going to be

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: further away it was a broken promise and she

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: just I don't think she was ready to forgive him

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: at that moment and so I really connected with

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Aubrey. Yeah thank you for sharing that

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_05]: there's so many things I want to definitely

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_05]: break down from this film and I feel like

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_05]: it can't be understated that there are

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_05]: three black women on this podcast right now

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and the documentary itself really does

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_05]: focus on black girls and their black

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_05]: incarcerated fathers and the emotion and

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_05]: the interactions I can completely

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_05]: understand why it took you to your

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_05]: childhood and what you thought about your

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_05]: relationship with your father because it

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_05]: immediately does. It definitely did it

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_05]: with me I'm sure and you don't have to be

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_05]: a black girl to connect with this you

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_05]: really don't I'm sure Sarah's like I

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_05]: connected just fine but it does it does hit

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_05]: home a lot when you see what's what's

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_05]: going on with your community for me I'm

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_05]: from this area I'm from the DC Maryland

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Virginia area and so seeing all these

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_05]: kids and listening to these little girls

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_05]: like it made me just it these are

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_05]: people I've heard like around you know

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm saying like this is that the accent

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_05]: and it took me home you know and stuff

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_05]: like that and it's one of those

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_05]: documentaries that you definitely can

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_05]: connect to but I think it is so so so

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_05]: important for us in our community and

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_05]: for people outside of our community to see

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_05]: as well because I think something that was

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_05]: very poignant about this documentary they

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_05]: didn't say they didn't tell any of the

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_05]: sentences of what the fathers did I

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_05]: think that was very very important like

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_05]: we got the sentences like near the end

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_05]: and stuff like that because I mean you

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_05]: can't do this type of documentary without

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_05]: wondering how long the fathers still

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_05]: have but I like that they actually

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_05]: really like that they did not tell us

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_05]: what crimes the fathers committed

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_05]: because you know this is what it

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_05]: formally incarcerated people and

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_05]: incarcerated people face like they

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_05]: come out they might want to do

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_05]: better there they tell what what they

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_05]: went in for and they're automatically

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_05]: judged you know I'm saying I kind

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_05]: of like being able to not prejudge

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_05]: these men and just go off what I saw

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_05]: on the film and how they

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_05]: related to their daughters I felt I

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_05]: felt like that was such a smart choice

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_05]: that I don't know if I would have caught

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_05]: it immediately if I wasn't like sitting

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_05]: here to break it down so let's get

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_05]: into like the way the documentary is

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_05]: structured like I said it goes back

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_05]: and forth between introducing us to

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_05]: the fathers and then introducing us

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_05]: to the daughters and their mothers

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_05]: can we start with Mark

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_05]: who is Santana's father

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_05]: we get his introduction

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_05]: in the circle

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_05]: nothing really major from from the

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_05]: circle but just him talking about

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_05]: well wait I said nothing major when

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_05]: something really did stick with me he

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_05]: was talking about how young him

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_05]: and Santana's mom were when they had

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_05]: her he said they were

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_05]: she the mom was 14 and he was 16

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_05]: when they had Santana

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and he talks about how he had been

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_05]: in and out of the system for the

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_05]: whole 10 years that Santana had

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_05]: you know been alive

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_05]: and so we go from Mark cut to

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Santana she's 10

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_05]: and man it's like

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_05]: her first words are like I don't

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_05]: want to be a mother like I'm never

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_05]: going to be a mother and you could

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_05]: just see like how hardened this

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_05]: this little girl was because then we

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_05]: see her mother her mother has two more

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_05]: little babies like two

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: more babies under two I don't know

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_05]: what these these kids ages are but it has

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_05]: to be like two and one or something like

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_05]: that and you know

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_05]: her mother

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I like I think

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_05]: it was very interesting to see

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_05]: their dynamic because you could tell

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_05]: that Santana had to grow up

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_05]: really quickly because her father

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_05]: was incarcerated her mother has

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_05]: these other kids

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_05]: with him

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_05]: just to see how hard it made her

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_05]: like a little it broke my heart when

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_05]: we first introduced her Sarah you

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_05]: said that Santana was your girl

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_05]: what did you what made you

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_05]: connect to her

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: just her little

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: being and her her soul

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: is

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I just I just felt so much for her I

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_01]: could see her

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_01]: mind working super smart girl

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: she's not going to get married till she's

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_01]: 35 and then she does have a child

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: which she doesn't want to but if she

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_01]: does she's going to be 45

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and she said my dad's

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: not around so I'm the dad

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and that just really struck me

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: let me tell you what was your

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: your reaction to Santana and diamond

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_01]: her mother I thought was quite a tragic

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: figure but maybe I'm just laying that

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe I'm just laying that on top

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: no I I thought

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: at first because I read it

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: wrong I thought that diamond

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_03]: was Santana sister

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and so I because

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: they look so close

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_05]: and at this point diamond is 24

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_05]: so she

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_05]: she was a kid raising a kid

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: right and then I saw that you know

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: that diamond had the baby and I was like okay

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_03]: well you know she's got to deal

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_03]: with with two kids now and I'm sure

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_03]: that Santana as the father figure

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_03]: when they go into the

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: laundromat I see that there's like

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah little kids

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and I that was

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just like oh no

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_05]: so I

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_03]: completely identify

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: with diamond like I

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_03]: am the child this

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: like you know millennial

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: woman like you know

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: sorry with Santana

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have any kids

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: because I saw

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the situations that we

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_03]: grew up in and I was like I'm not doing

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not doing it and I

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: have it now won't

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_03]: so I completely

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_03]: identify with Santana

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and just like her little face was going

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: through the

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_03]: ages that she wants to be when she does things

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: in our life and the fact that she's had

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: to grow up so fast

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah it just it was just really

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: striking I spent the whole summer

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: for the first time in several years

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_03]: working with young kids

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_03]: as young as like 11

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_03]: so they were like around

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: these kids age and I

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_03]: just you know

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: can't imagine

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_03]: what having to go

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_03]: through life with an incarcerated

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_03]: dad and then like a

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_03]: very young very young mom

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_03]: who is still having children

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and and she they're showing

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: her like holding the baby

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_03]: you know say I have to be the dad

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_03]: that is the crack

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: in the the household

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and like the family structure

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_03]: that we talk about

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and and that is

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_03]: like in a nutshell the problem

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_03]: that the carceral

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: state creates with black families

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's just so hard to

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_03]: watch it be driven home

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: with these young girls

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah exactly

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_05]: and let's just go full

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_05]: through the Santana and Mark

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_05]: story Chantel

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_05]: once

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_05]: once we see Santana and

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Mark at the dance

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_05]: what did you think about that they were very playful

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_05]: it was so funny to me what did

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_05]: you think of their dynamic

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean what I thought like with

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Mark and with a lot of the fathers is that

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: you just see that there that they were just

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of children that never actually

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: got to live a life you know

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and I felt that like for

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: so many of the men you could see their heart

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: you know that they're still good people

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: that may have done a bad

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: thing or what and so

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I just I really felt

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and saw all of their heart

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and seeing how he was still doing

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: anything that he could just to make her laugh

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and she wants to sit down and he's

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_02]: you know they're doing the merengue

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and like I was obviously crying at that point

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: because this is just such a short

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: moment that they were going to have together

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and he was really just trying

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_02]: to soak in as much

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_02]: as he could from that moment even though

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_02]: she was kind of being a little bit

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_02]: you know

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_02]: her age and you know

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_02]: a little bit of attitude and not wanting to

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_02]: like he still was trying because this

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: was the first contact

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that he's had in so many years and might be

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: the first contact that he's going to have

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: in who knows how many more and

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I just I just really love

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: with him and with most of the

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: fathers there that

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_02]: they just wanted just that contact

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: with their with their young daughters

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: with their daughter. Yeah. Thank God

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: you're being emotional.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm happy for my life

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_03]: over here trying to laugh

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: not crying

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not working

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It just touches

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: my heart so deeply that

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like when they came out

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: with the boutonniers and like oh my gosh

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like why am I crying

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: so much here it's so

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: it was just so beautiful and how much

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: it meant to everybody in

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: in that gymnasium and

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: how happy they were for this

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: snapshot in time and you know

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that there before and after this

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: was the life that they were living

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and this moment

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: is always just going to be a part of like a memory

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: you know and so you're seeing

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: this like memory

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: being created that was going

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: to be following them for the rest of their life

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: like it just touches me a lot

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_05]: what I really appreciated

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_05]: is

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know that this was

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_05]: going to be a documentary where

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_05]: we're spending multiple years with

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_05]: people they did a really good

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_05]: job again

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_05]: of we're following

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_05]: them in the 10 weeks of the program we follow

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_05]: them to the dance and then we get

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: to the aftermath of the dance

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_05]: and like at this point I'm like

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: there's still an hour left in this like

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_05]: documentary it's still like it was like

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_05]: it was still at least well at least

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_05]: 50 minutes left

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: and I

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_05]: realized like they show a picture it was like

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_05]: father daughter dance 2019

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_05]: and I was like oh what

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_05]: and they start flashing like a year later

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_05]: four years later you know

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like oh my gosh like it

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_05]: was done so well and I love

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_05]: being able to like see where the

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_05]: fathers had progressed

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_05]: at that point Mark

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_05]: had gotten out him

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Santana and Diamond were reunited

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_05]: they had another baby

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pushing on another baby

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I have some great

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: news that

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Mark since then

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: he has decided to take

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: on the role and learn to become Chad

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: so he could give back to

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: the community so he has been

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: learning to be able to coach

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and really to help other

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: men through this type of program

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_02]: or I don't know I think it's this

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: actual program but I don't want to be quoted on that

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: for 100% but I believe that

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: he is taking on the Chad

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_02]: role now that he has been out and

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah he's still been he's still out

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe he was at the premiere at Sundance

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_05]: yes he was out

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_05]: for four years at the

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_05]: point in the documentary and it has

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: to be noted that that

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: in his life

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: since he was first

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: incarcerated as a juvenile he has

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: never been out of jail longer than six months

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and since

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: the coming out since

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the father daughter dance plus

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: the 10 week program with Chad

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: as you say Shantel Chad was their

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: fatherhood life coach who was

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: fantastic

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and since then Mark had

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: at the time of the finishing of the documentary

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: been out for four years

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and we're talking a lot about touch

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: we are touched but also touch

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realise

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but apparently

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: in a lot of jails in America

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: they now no longer have touch

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: visits you can see people

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: on a video screen if

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: you pay for it

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: this is what I mean about

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: jail is the punishment

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: your sentence is the punishment

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't have to continue and compound

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: punishment within

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the walls of the prison

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: but they do

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and it was noted at the end

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: that men who had been through

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: this 10 week course

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: 95% of them

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_01]: had not reoffended

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: 95%

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think the course I'm sure you'll take us there

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Mary but it was very interesting to see the course

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: because not only did they do the course

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: but then they did follow up and I thought ah that's the magic

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that's the magic

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that I just take them to this emotional brink

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: of the dance and then okay

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: you're finished

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I was really shocked how that

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_05]: that happened and so

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_05]: it was really great when we saw

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_05]: you know some of the endings

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_05]: but

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Santana and Mark were such a

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_05]: good ending because

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_05]: we see

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Mark being out he says he has been

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_05]: for years this is the longest he's gone without being

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_05]: re-arrested we see him with all of his

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_05]: kids we see him and Diamond together

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and then

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_05]: we see Santana and

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_05]: it goes back to like we started

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_05]: with a shot of her in the car

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_05]: talking to the film

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_05]: full of like a little bit of

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_05]: righteous anger which of course

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_05]: and then she's talking to the

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_05]: documentarian again at the end

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and she's like I'm just so happy she's 13 now

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_05]: you could just see

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_05]: the joy now that

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_05]: him being home and what that has done

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_05]: to her and it's just like

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like this is what I need

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_05]: this is what I needed like you can't

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_05]: like

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_05]: thank you like I was so glad about that and

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_05]: then

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_05]: we were talking about Aubrey

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Aubrey is 5 when her father

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Keith is goes through the 10 week program

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_05]: and they do the father

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_05]: daughter dance and

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Aubrey man

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_05]: this one hurt because

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_05]: she was so precocious like 5

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_05]: she at the die daughter dance

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_05]: she's talking

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_05]: non-stop just

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah my hair is straight if it's me

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm coming out and running up to you that's just me

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_05]: it's Aubrey

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_05]: she was like this is sign language for Monday

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Tuesday Wednesday Thursday she just

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_05]: could not stop talking

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_05]: and her

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Aubrey and Keith together was just so

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_05]: it was just so amazing to watch them

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_05]: together and you can just see her talking

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_05]: talking talking talking then we get

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_05]: a year later on her birthday

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean oh sorry before

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_05]: at the dance he explains to her

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_05]: he's like you have 7

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_05]: it'll be 7 birthdays until I see you again

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_05]: she was like okay I'll be 12 or 13

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and like yeah we get a year later

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_05]: it's her 6th birthday

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and we get

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_05]: the graphic like Keith

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_05]: his final sentence is 10 years

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_05]: and I was just like

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_05]: okay my dad just

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_05]: that made me that that hurt

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_05]: so much but

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_05]: what happened even more

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_05]: was you know we get

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_05]: time kind of like time hops from the rest of the girls

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_05]: and then we come back to

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Aubrey and now she

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_05]: is 8 I believe it's 4

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_05]: years since the daddy daughter dance we find out

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_05]: that she had not been able to

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_05]: see him since the daddy daughter dance

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_05]: but they did arrange a visit

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_05]: for her and so we're following her

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_05]: when she's 8 on this visit

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_05]: and you can just tell

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_05]: that the time the passage all of it has

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_05]: now worn on her

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_05]: because

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_05]: you know it almost seemed like she didn't

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_05]: want to get up and go

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_05]: you know

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_05]: it almost seems she's less talkative

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_05]: we get a phone call

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Keith to the filmmakers

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_05]: talking about how the visit went

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_05]: and he was just like

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_05]: you know she had asked to leave

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_05]: it didn't feel like it had felt at the dance

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Latanya how did

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Aubrey's story affect you

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_03]: the first thing that I thought of

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: when I saw

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Aubrey because I believe she was the first

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_03]: on the screen

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_03]: was just like wow she's just a baby

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_03]: she was only 5

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and she's like

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_03]: talking about her fish

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and like you know

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_03]: later on

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: she does this thing where

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: she talks about the earth

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_03]: revolutions

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and like

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_03]: that's how she's counting

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_03]: when she'll get to see her dad again

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: this little girl broke my heart

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_03]: to see the changes

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_03]: in her from when she was

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_03]: 5 to when she was 8

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and she went on that visit

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean part of it is growing up

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_03]: like you naturally

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_03]: start to grow

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: apart from your parents

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_03]: because you're supposed to leave the nest at some point

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_03]: but

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_03]: you know what happens when like

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: the nest is missing

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_03]: a piece you know

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_03]: like what do you do then

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it's almost necessary

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_03]: someone who grew up without a dad

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_03]: it's almost necessary

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_03]: to kind of like harden your heart

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_03]: toward that person a little bit

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_03]: just to be able to get through how difficult

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_03]: it is to miss them on a day to day

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_03]: basis and to know

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_03]: all the things that you're doing

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_03]: that they're missing

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_03]: one thing that I hope she never loses

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_03]: is

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: her

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_03]: the joy that she feels when she learns

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_03]: something new yeah

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_03]: because she loved to say

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: that she was the smartest

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_03]: kid in her class like that that made her

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: so proud to be able to tell her dad

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and to be able to show

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_03]: him all the things that

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: she learned and I

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_03]: pray that even if she doesn't

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: ever have him

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_03]: to show those things too

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_03]: that she doesn't lose

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_03]: her joy for learning

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_03]: um because

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean who knows

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_03]: how far they can get you

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_03]: um exactly who knows

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_03]: but yeah this little girl

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_03]: is like the one that I think about when I think

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_03]: about this documentary for so many reasons

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_03]: mm-hmm she reminds me

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_03]: of my nephews a lot

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_04]: mm-hmm

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's just really hard

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_03]: to watch especially

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_03]: someone that young go through this

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess yeah

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: oh yeah I definitely

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely agree

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: with everything that you said Latonya

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: um I deeply connected to Aubrey

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_02]: because I feel like me and Aubrey were

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty similar like I was

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_02]: super precocious I loved accomplishing

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: things I loved sharing you know I got

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: a word bank I learned a new word today like

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I was always that

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: type of child

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and it just

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: broke my heart to see that

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: the innocence and the

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: excitement that she had for

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: learning like you're saying

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: um it just looks like

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: it just had been drained from her

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: because she's needing to protect

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_02]: her heart and

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope and I pray that

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_02]: you know she's still able to

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: uh really

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: want to achieve and learn

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and be precocious and

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: investigate like I hope

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_02]: what has been going on hasn't stolen that

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: spark from her um because

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like what it seemed like to me that

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Aubrey was going through is that

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_02]: she it's like

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: nothing that she could do could bring her

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: father back and I and I'm

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: wondering if that's kind of why she

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: shut down because she's

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_02]: taking on that it's like her fault or that

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: she can't do anything about it or if

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_02]: he loved her more he would be there

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: or he wouldn't do the things that would

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: get him to be taken away from her and

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: she doesn't fully understand how the

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: system works but like I just

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I just hope that she is able to heal

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and I do think that this documentary

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: has been helpful for her

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: they provide her a lot of

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: counseling and you know

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: it wasn't just like they do the documentary

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and they just leave her alone at same with the fathers

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: um and so

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: she's still able to work through it through

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: um counseling and stuff like that but

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: man like

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_02]: just seeing this

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: like as the spark just be taken out

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: of a young girl from the prison

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: systems is just

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just heartbreaking

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: she's been counting on seven

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_01]: she loves counting so

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_01]: she's got in her mind seven and when her father

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: at the dance says well seven or eight she said no

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: seven and as

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: you say LaTanya when she's saying that

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_01]: the earth goes around the sun and you can count

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it and it's seven

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and she says

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate weeks

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought oh my god this child can deal

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in her mind conceptually

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: with seven years but she can't get through

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_01]: a week and this is before obviously

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: she finds out it's going to be ten years

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and the shutdown begins

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: we see a phone call with her father where

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_01]: she's holding the phone away from her and playing a game

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: on the phone

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I just

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame her at all

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: but that was heartbreaking

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah and it goes from

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_05]: like her talking a lot

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_05]: to him saying something to her being like okay

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_04]: mm-hmm

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah okay

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's a checked out

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_05]: thing and I think what

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_05]: provided a little bit more clarity is at the end

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_05]: they explained that her father

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_05]: was transferred

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_05]: to three different prisons

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_05]: outside of like

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_05]: her state like three different

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_05]: so like and that

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_05]: like some of the places he went to

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_05]: did not have visitation

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_05]: you know and then once you think

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_05]: about it once you really think about

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_05]: like COVID this was

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_05]: 2019 that dance was before

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_05]: COVID and then

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_05]: COVID

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_05]: what little

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_05]: rights that prisoners did have before

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_05]: COVID because

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_05]: they said 2014 is when they

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_05]: started to slowly stop touch visits

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_05]: once COVID hit the prison system

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_05]: uh

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_05]: in person prison visit

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_05]: in person visits just completely

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_05]: were that didn't happen

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_05]: um and I'm I wouldn't be

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_05]: shocked if you're telling me that the prisons are just now recovering from it but also

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_05]: they don't they don't care about

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_05]: touch visits to them they don't they don't care

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_05]: they want the money from the video

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_05]: calls or them having to

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_05]: pay to just talk to their families

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_05]: like it's all a

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_05]: frickin farm for money you know what I'm saying

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_05]: that's all this stupid

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_05]: carceral system that we have is it's just

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_05]: all for for money

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and they forget that they have like

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_05]: real humans locked up like I get

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_05]: these people did bad things okay

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_05]: but there's still people and if you

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_05]: don't want them to end up here again

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_05]: you have to treat them like people and give them the resources so they don't

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_05]: end up here but that's the problem with the carceral system they want

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_05]: them to come back because they again make

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_05]: more money off of them once they come back so

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_05]: it all it's just it's

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_05]: very frustrating and I felt

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_05]: just so incredibly

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_05]: bad for Aubrey and to see that

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's very real

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_05]: it's that fatigue of

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_05]: of not only just

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_05]: trying to

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_05]: be there for your person but

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_05]: trying to having to follow them most prisons

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_05]: are three to four hours away from

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_05]: major cities you know what I'm saying like

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_05]: it's too much it's too much

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_05]: for these young girls to bear so

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_05]: um

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_05]: my heart goes out to her and you know

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I hope that they'll

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_05]: have a good reunion

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_05]: in a few years but it

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_05]: that was really really

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_05]: tough to see

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_02]: here in Keith's voice

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_02]: to how he was just trying

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: to connect like they had connected

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: at the father-daughter dance

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: he's just trying so hard and

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_02]: you know he this is

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_02]: a few moments that he has and maybe he'll be

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_02]: years before he gets to talk to her again and he just

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: trying anything and

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: you know doesn't want to give up and doesn't

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: want to be like okay well I guess she doesn't want to talk to me

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like he's still just trying and trying

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: to connect is also

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: what I found to be

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think my words gonna be heartbreaking

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: heartbreaking it's my word for the spot

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_02]: because you see that

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: there's so much love there

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and the system

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: is just completely broken

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: him away from you know this love

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_02]: that he has with his daughter and

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: there's nothing that he really can do about it because

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_02]: phone visit

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: it can't it's not helping at this

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_02]: point she's she spends so much time

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_02]: without him that she's getting used to

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: it and

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: exactly kind of becoming a stranger to

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_02]: her that she doesn't have that same

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: connection to anymore

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah very tough

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna move on

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_05]: to Frank and his daughter

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Janna

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_05]: this was a really interesting

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_05]: case to me

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Janna is

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_05]: eleven her mother's name is

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Anita I believe

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_05]: and Frank

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_05]: unfortunately he talks about how

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_05]: he him and you need

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_05]: a don't have a good relationship

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_05]: you need a

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Frank expressed

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_05]: concern that he might not get to see

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Janna because you need a doesn't really

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_05]: want Frank

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_05]: in her life

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_05]: that's what we hear from Frank first and then

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_05]: we go to Anita and

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Janna and you need a basically was like

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_05]: when he was out of prison

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_05]: he didn't want anything to do with her so

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't think that

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_05]: you know him being in prison would help

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_05]: her because

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_05]: he wasn't a part of her life

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_05]: it's tough because

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_05]: you need is only trying to protect her

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_05]: daughter you know I'm saying

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Janna

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_05]: and I think you could tell this manifested

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_05]: in Janna

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_05]: at the dance

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_05]: with Janna

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: and Frank at the dance I think

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_05]: this was the most

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_05]: like awkward feeling

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_05]: father and daughter pairing

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_05]: here like Janna

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_05]: looked like she was kind of

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Frank was really trying

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Janna was trying but you could

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_05]: just you could feel the wall it's

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_05]: very interesting that all of these girls

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_05]: were and were

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_05]: had different reactions to

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_05]: their fathers being incarcerated

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Chantel what did you think of

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Janna and Frank here

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was like her age

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: you know if she was a little bit younger

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that she might have been more receptive

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and if she

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_02]: doesn't have a really great relationship with her mother we're not

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: sure what she's maybe upset

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: about him and stuff like that and so

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: definitely a tough age

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: she's probably wanting to protect

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_02]: her mom and might feel a little bit

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe guilty or that she's

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_02]: taking you know the father's side because I know

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: that you know with my

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_02]: familial

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_02]: circumstances that I was all for

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: like my mom I was like

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_02]: she's telling the truth about everything

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and I've side with her and

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_02]: you know

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: that's just kind of what

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_02]: sometimes happens when

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_02]: you're living with a mother figure especially if there's

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: any sort of dissension within that relationship

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: sure if that's the case but I wouldn't be

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_02]: surprised since they don't necessarily have

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: the best relationship if maybe she's heard some things

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_02]: that she maybe didn't like

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_02]: or that you know

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: she wants to protect her mom or she's siding with her mom

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and she doesn't want to

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: go against her mom in that way

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: but it was a real relationship

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_02]: you know like she wasn't

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_02]: faking anything she was being herself

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02]: it also

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe tear up because you know that

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: she would love to just

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: put down those walls and hug him

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_02]: but there's been so much that has

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_02]: gone on that's built those up that

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: it just takes too much to be

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: able to kind of chip those away and so

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: it was really hard to watch

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: because it's just such a

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_02]: like I said a small snapshot in

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: time that you're going to really

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_02]: she might not necessarily regret

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: but she might have wished that she had done

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_02]: something a little bit differently if she looks back later on

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: her life maybe

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but I totally understand

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: from like being a 11 year old and just kind of

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: being like well like you haven't been in my

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_02]: life for that much time so like

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: just kind of putting on that

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_02]: attitude of not caring really when you know

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: that she deeply she probably cares but

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just like that tough age like

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_02]: almost a teenager lots of years

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_02]: without a father maybe siding

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: with mom potentially

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and still wanting to

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_02]: do it though there's people that were given

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_02]: that opportunity that did not want to participate

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and so there is a part of her

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: that did want to connect and so

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah she did what she

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_02]: did the best that she could do in that moment

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I think yeah I agree

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_05]: what's on you

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_03]: also the fact that there are cameras

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: there

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure that you know like

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_03]: working in the documentary space and working with kids

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: you do everything that you can

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_03]: to get people comfortable with having

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_03]: the cameras around or you try to make it

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: so they don't notice it but

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure like if you're

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_03]: a kid you're 11 years old

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_03]: you're in a position where

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_03]: you're doing something

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_03]: that maybe you think

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_03]: your mom doesn't want you to do

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_03]: because it may seem like siding with your dad

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and you know your mom's

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_03]: going to see this later

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_03]: that's also another thing

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_03]: that might be in your mind

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_03]: of like well I'm just not going to

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: act like

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm too overly joyed to be here

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_03]: because I don't want my mom

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_03]: to see this later and then ask me a bunch of questions

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_03]: but I do completely agree

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_03]: that it does have a lot to do

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_03]: with the age that you are

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and also the foundation that you had

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_03]: with your kid before you went

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_03]: into prison like

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_03]: if you are turning

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_03]: a corner in your life

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and figuring out that what you did

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_03]: in the past was really not

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_03]: what you want to repeat and that you now

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_03]: want to have a good relationship with your

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: kid again it takes a lot

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_03]: to

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_03]: you know to make that child

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_03]: okay

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_03]: with that you know like

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_03]: it's really easy to

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_03]: side with the parent that you've always been with

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_03]: because of the fact that they've always been there for you

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and you start to make up

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_03]: you don't even need to hear adults say things

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_03]: you start to make up things in your mind

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_03]: about why your father is not there for you

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_03]: even when they could be there

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_03]: for you so

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_03]: the fact that

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: it just makes me upset that

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_03]: people this age

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_03]: have to deal with all of these emotions

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_03]: in the first place like it's not enough

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_03]: that we expect

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_03]: especially young black girls

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_03]: to like to grow up so fast

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_03]: or we project things

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_03]: on to like young black girls

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_03]: that

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_03]: make them seem more of an adult

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_03]: than they actually are

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_03]: then when you put these situations

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_03]: put them in these situations where

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_03]: they actually have to

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_03]: adopt

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_03]: the thinking of like what an adult

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_03]: might think in this situation

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_03]: in order to protect themselves

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and their mental health

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_03]: even if they don't know that's what they're doing

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_03]: in that moment

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_03]: it's just

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know I think that

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_03]: there are so many different

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_03]: people who are going to be able to identify

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_03]: with this documentary just because

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_03]: we don't have

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_03]: all like these young little girls who are

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_03]: just happy to see their dads and happy to be

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_03]: like in a nice dress and have their hair done

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_03]: there's like the spectrum

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_03]: of kids who are

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_03]: just like I don't know how I feel about

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_03]: this situation and they're allowed to just sit in that

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and say

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Sarah any final thoughts about

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Janna and Frank?

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Well Frank gets parole

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_01]: a year after the dance

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's a shot

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in heartbreaking I'm stealing your word

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: but also as a

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: consumer of

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: film and documentary I thought oh what a great

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_01]: shot these

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: two emotions roiling in me

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: at the same time

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: where they're sitting on

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_01]: a low wall

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and they could not be further apart

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_01]: physically

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and Janna's looking ahead

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and I did notice that at the dance too

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_01]: she barely looked at him

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: in the face I think

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the overwhelming I think absolutely right

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the idea that she might be

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_01]: betraying her mother by being with

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_01]: her father

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: he has a lot of work to do

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_01]: all little girls she's so young

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_01]: so she's only 12 then when we see her

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: at the end and

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: she's so contained and she's so still

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_01]: even in her dancing she's very contained

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and very still I think

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a lot going on inside that

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: girl.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And the end credits did say that Frank

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_05]: and Janna were connecting a lot more

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_05]: but unfortunately it's because

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_05]: her mother Unita was dealing with some illnesses

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_05]: and that

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_05]: so

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_05]: you know

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_05]: hopefully Unita is okay

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and getting through it

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_05]: but Frank

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_05]: is still out from what we understand

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_05]: they didn't say he got re-arrested

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_05]: which is great and him and Janna

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_05]: are connecting a little bit more

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_05]: it honestly could have just been the cameras

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_05]: really just

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_05]: like Sarah said she was really contained

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe she just didn't want to do much

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_05]: on the actual camera

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_05]: but still wanted the experience of seeing

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_05]: her dad and stuff like that so

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_05]: you know I hope

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_05]: everything goes well with them and their family

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_05]: and then finally we had Rezaia

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_05]: here who was the oldest

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_05]: of the children

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_05]: she was 15

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_05]: when the documentary started

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_05]: and when she went to the father daughter dance

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_05]: we got her mother talking

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_05]: about how Rezaia

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_05]: was having some suicidal

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_05]: ideations which was

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_05]: which was really sad

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_05]: but

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Rezaia

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and her cousin

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_05]: which was Alonzo's niece

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_05]: were able to see her dad Alonzo

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_05]: at the dance

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_05]: we got to see both of them

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_05]: see him

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_05]: and they looked like they had a lot of fun

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_05]: it was so great to see them

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_05]: interact

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_05]: and you know

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_05]: the next time we see her it's three years later

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_05]: she's 18 and she's graduating from high school

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and she's really excited

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_05]: but unfortunately we do find out that

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Alonzo was sentenced to 30 years

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_05]: so

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if there's too much to say about

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Rezaia and Alonzo I'll just let

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_05]: anybody

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_05]: want to chime in about their thoughts on them

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_02]: well I just

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_02]: seeing how emotional

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: they were when they all got to

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: hug when they first saw each other after

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know exactly how long

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_02]: these girls were old enough to

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: still want

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: they made it through the resentment phase

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and they

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_02]: thought I want to see my father

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and they seemed to have a really good

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_02]: relationship with him

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and when we see her

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: graduating and she's so excited

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: it was really

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say the most uplifting

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_02]: story even though

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_02]: it was probably the most tragic

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_02]: they're all tragic

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: in their own ways but I think you

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_02]: don't understand what I mean but just seeing how

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: emotional that they were was

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: beautiful and

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I do feel like

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: they were older so they were

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_02]: able to maybe handle the situation a little

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: bit better and so I'm hoping

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: that because they've been also at a lot

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_02]: of the premieres and stuff

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and so hopefully with the other girls

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_02]: younger girls the documentary like they

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: build a little bit of a sisterhood

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and maybe support each other getting through

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: this because

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: with the documentary they've also lived a

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_02]: unique experience together and especially

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: seeing how much

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_02]: acclaim that it's getting

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_02]: it's pretty magical

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_02]: for them that their stories are being told

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's being so well received so

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they're going to all end up

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_02]: all these girls having a really nice sisterhood

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: plus this is what I hope I'm afraid for anyways

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah, Raze I have been

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_05]: old enough to like

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_05]: understand what's going on

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I think helps and you can definitely tell

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_05]: there was like some turning

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_05]: point within the three years in a sense of

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_05]: like

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_05]: it felt more

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_05]: joyful maybe that dance really

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_05]: did help her as well

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_05]: because when she was at her graduation

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_05]: she was really just shouting out her

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_05]: dad you could tell she loved her dad

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_05]: you could tell that

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_05]: there was no resentment there

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_05]: it felt like at least you know what I'm saying

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_05]: like she

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_05]: she understands

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_05]: it's probably easier for her to understand

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_05]: now that she's older that he will be there

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_05]: for a very long time

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_05]: and not to take that on to her

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_05]: in a sense if that makes sense

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I just

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_03]: was kind of drawn

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_03]: to the relationship

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_03]: that she has with her cousin

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and how they almost seem like sisters

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_03]: which is something I can identify with

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_05]: my sister raised

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah my sister who I call my sister is actually

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_03]: my cousin

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_03]: but we were raised together

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_03]: only four years apart so we're

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: sisters

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_03]: to have something

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_03]: as momentous you know when you're that

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03]: young as high school graduation

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_03]: but to still have to think about

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_03]: the fact that there's like

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_03]: your dad who's not able to be there

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_03]: for it

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_03]: she's happy but she's crying

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_03]: that entire time as well

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_03]: so it's just

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_03]: it's one of those things especially if you have

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_03]: someone who's in prison for

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_03]: a long time like her dad

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_03]: it's one of those things

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: where it just becomes

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_03]: something that you incorporate into your everyday life

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and even like the happy moments

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_03]: there's like a tinge of sadness to them

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_03]: because there's somebody that you

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_03]: love who you wish could be there

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_03]: but they

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_03]: can't be there for you

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_03]: so I thought that that was really

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was really interesting that she

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_03]: has her cousin

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: with her

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_03]: who understands what she's going through because her father is also

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03]: in prison

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_03]: just to hear those two girls

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_03]: singing freedom at the end

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: which is a song that

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_03]: because of the presidential election has

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_03]: come

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_03]: it hasn't had to come back for Beyoncé fans

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_03]: but like for

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the rest of the population

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like oh right freedom

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_03]: it's just so

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_03]: heartening in a way

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_03]: that

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_03]: kids can find an escape

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and like find an uplifting

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_03]: moment that they can connect with each other

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_03]: in music

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_03]: so yeah

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I found that to be uplifting

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_03]: in and of itself just in that

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_03]: they're persevering like they're going on

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and they're living their lives

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and they're acknowledging

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_03]: you know she's acknowledging her dad

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and how she'll always

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_03]: do things in his honor

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_03]: even though he can't be there with her

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_05]: mm-hmm

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_01]: that was great

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Sarah

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_01]: just recovering

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Shereza kind of

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: stands for all the mothers we don't

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_01]: get a lot of the mothers and I think that's

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_01]: right because it is about the girls

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and the fathers

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_01]: the filmmaker naturally lets us draw

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_01]: our own thoughts on it

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_01]: but Shereza I think

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_01]: we see the most

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_01]: of and there's

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_01]: a warmth there

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's also like we all understand

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_01]: what it must be like

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_01]: to

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_01]: bring up a child

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_01]: without a partner

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have children

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not black

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but I can watch a documentary like this

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and feel very

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_01]: honored to be

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_01]: let into this world

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_01]: you know as an

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: as an invited person

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not my place

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but as an invited person I was honored

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Murray now that you have a daughter

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_01]: do you think this hit differently

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_05]: it does

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_05]: in a sense of like

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_05]: everything you do

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_05]: you know it

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_05]: is impacted on your kids

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_05]: even the things you don't

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_05]: realize

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_05]: for me that's always been

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_05]: a thought at the forefront

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_05]: of my mind

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I've said on this podcast before I

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_05]: we're trying to do like

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_05]: conscious parenting

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_05]: positive discipline

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_05]: style parenting which was different than how I was raised

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_05]: so

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_05]: it's different from how my husband was raised

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_05]: so it's a struggle

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_05]: every day is a struggle

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_05]: trying to

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_05]: mold kids without falling

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_05]: into these patterns

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_05]: that

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_05]: lend to the car serial system

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_05]: you know what I'm saying with

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_05]: just it's easier to hit

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_05]: a kid and tell them to shut up

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_05]: or like don't show emotion

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_05]: and stuff like that

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like oh it happened to me so I'm fine

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_05]: it's all great and that's something I don't want

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_05]: to participate in

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_05]: you know what I'm saying like

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_05]: especially it made me think of my son

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_05]: as well like I don't want my son

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_05]: to go to jail and I don't want my daughter

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_05]: to you know have to

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_05]: think about what it would be without her father

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_05]: it was kind of funny I actually turned to James I was like don't ever go to prison he was like

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_05]: okay

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna take that off the list

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll take that off the list

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_05]: but like

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_05]: it does

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_05]: and I

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_05]: that's what I love about this documentary

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I think

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_05]: it is very

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_05]: it's very niche in showing you

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_05]: a small part of it

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_05]: a population small part of our community

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_05]: a part of our community should I just say

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_05]: but it invites everybody

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_05]: and it shares a slice

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_05]: of life that you might not think about

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_05]: you know and it humanizes

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_05]: these men in a way that I think

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_05]: a lot of people need to see

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_05]: and it shows the deep

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_05]: rooted effects that it has

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_05]: on these daughters on these women

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_05]: all these children and I think

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_05]: it's all done very well

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's so necessary

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_05]: like it's so necessary

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I want I just like

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Chantel I wanted many people to watch

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_05]: this this documentary as possible

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_05]: like

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_05]: please and I'm glad it's on Netflix because I think

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Netflix does a really good job of

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah very accessible very

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_05]: like their marketing is really great

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_05]: so I'm really hoping that there's more

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_05]: conversation about this

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_05]: about this movie

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_05]: because I think it's important

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I do I think it's important

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we all can

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_05]: everybody can find some

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_05]: connection here like it

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_05]: it's so easy to find

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_05]: some connection

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and I know we're talking about this

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_02]: as a film as a documentary

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think we also have

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_02]: to really give a lot of

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_02]: honor to Angela Patton

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_02]: who saw

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_02]: a whole and saw a need

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and felt compelled to

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_02]: do something you know she started

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: it with her own dime as she

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_02]: said that she had her father polishing

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_02]: shoes that's that's something that

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_02]: she started from the very beginning

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_02]: she used her own money to be able

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_02]: to buy some of these suits in the beginning

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: she has really it's been a labor

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_02]: of love for her to be

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_02]: giving to these communities

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and without her having

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: this vision we

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_02]: she would never have had the Ted Talk

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and that Natalie wouldn't have seen

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and inspired Natalie to want to work with her

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_02]: to tell these stories and so

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_02]: we really have to remember that it was

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_02]: inspired by Angela

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_02]: really feeling

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: the drive

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and the calling to be able to share these

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_02]: stories so or to create this program

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_05]: exactly

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_05]: it doesn't feel right but we're going to

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_05]: have to do this and

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I think

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_05]: it's okay because I think we all know what we're going to do here

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_05]: let's go to our ratings

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Latanya how many magnifying glasses are you

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_05]: going to rate daughters out of a possible five

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_03]: six

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_05]: there you go

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_03]: five out of five for sure

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_03]: like the shot of the kids

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_03]: when they're at the birthday party

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and they're all a neon jewelry

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_03]: that's like lit up

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_03]: in contrast they're like standing behind

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: a fence

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_03]: which makes them look

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_03]: imprisoned and then they

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_03]: they transition to the actual

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_03]: prison genius

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_03]: like

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_03]: just one of the very

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_03]: like small moments

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_03]: in this movie

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: that just does it you know it just delivers

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_03]: the message home

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: that it's supposed to be delivering I can't

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: give it anything but five out of five

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_05]: yes I completely

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_05]: agree shantel how about you how many magnifying

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_05]: glasses are you going to rate this

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to make one comment first though

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: because this is a crime scene podcast

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: right and what

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I really think where the crime

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: really is is

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: how the prison system has affected

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: these young girls I think that's the crime

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and you know we were just getting

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: to witness that they might not live out

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: to their full potential because of

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_02]: what the system has the

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: barrier that has caused them

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: even if they're able to have visits with touch

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: that might be enough

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: to allow them to still be inspired

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and to not completely shut down

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and so that is what I think

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: the real crime is here I know that you know they

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: are serving time for potential

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: crimes but

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I think what the daughters have

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: to experience and the families how

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: they have to recover how they

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: have to hold space how they

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: have to continue to live in the world

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: with having these fathers incarcerated

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: that for me is

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: the true crime scene here so

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to put that out there

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: but there's no part of me that could give

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: this documentary less than a five

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: if I can give it more I'll give it ten

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: like whatever I can give I think that it is

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: a must see

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I know a lot of people don't want to see

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: tear drinkers whatever but these are heart

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a heart story it is everybody will not

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: well I can't

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: like a statement but most people

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: can understand a relationship

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: between a father and a daughter

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and it will be

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: able to connect in ways

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: that they probably didn't know maybe they have

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: a child and they have a husband

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and you can see maybe oh my god

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_02]: like wow how important

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: the relationship is with my husband

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and my daughter and so

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that everybody could really

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: connect to this

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: documentary I think that it's

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: beautifully told I think that it's a

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: labor of love and I think

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: that it really needs

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: to be seen by everybody

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: because it is just so important

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: just to see just

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: real heart felt stories

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: real truth

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: real lives real love

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: real

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: investigation of truth here

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: so 100% five stars

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: if I give it more I would

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: magnify glasses

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: five thumbs up like a

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: missus cologne

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: five across the board

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Sarah how about you how are you gonna rate

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_05]: daughters oh five

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_05]: duh

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: just bigger

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is one of the best things that we've

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: seen

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast full stop it's one of the

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: best things I've seen in my

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: many years of watching films

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's more than the stories

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: the visual

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the surety of Natalie's

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: visual language

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: as one

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: scene goes to another

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: she doesn't tell us what to think but she invites

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: us to think about much bigger things

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: than the girls lives are very big

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: so I'm not comparing

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's not just a heartbreaking story

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: of these girls lives it also

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: asks us to consider all sorts of things

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you know not least you can't

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: just helicopter into a community

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and helicopter and decide that you're doing

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: good and helicopter out you've actually

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: got to be in there like Angela is like

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Chad is you have to have

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: follow up you have to have

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: support even before

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: they go to the dance chat is saying to them

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: you are going to be really excited and then

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you are going to

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: have a have the downside and then when

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: they got to it he said here we are this is what

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: we talked about so the preparation and the

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: care for these men was

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: was extraordinary and there was one

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: man at the dance in his suit all the

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: suits fitted may we say

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: they were measured and they were fitted it

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: wasn't just any odd suit

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: they may have been secondhand they may have been borrowed

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but they they all

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: fitted those men and that was

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: very moving but there was

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: one man who said his daughter couldn't be there

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and gave this incredible

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: off the cuff speech that just

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: poured out of him

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and the camera just looks at him and says

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: to us just listen

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: while he speaks

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: so I think that

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: as a story it's incredible as

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: a piece of film it's

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: incredible and I just

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel so

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: happy that it exists in the world

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and I want everybody to

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: see it so yes five magnifying glasses

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: a million if I could marry how about

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: you that's exactly what I

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_05]: thought I was like

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm happy this piece of media

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_05]: exists like

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_05]: honestly truly like

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_05]: it felt

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_05]: it felt groundbreaking

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_05]: in a way of just

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_05]: feeling like you are there

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_05]: feeling like you are in these people's shoes

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_05]: feeling like you are in these men's shoes

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_05]: and seeing how

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_05]: they cope with all this

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_05]: and then on top of that was

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_05]: an hour and 48 minutes that was just

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_05]: didn't feel

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean perfect

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_05]: we are so glad it's

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_05]: not a series you know what I'm saying

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_05]: but like it was just

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_05]: it was just perfect

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm so glad your friend

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_05]: decided to not listen to

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_05]: any of these people

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and give us a full feature documentary

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_05]: that was so concise so

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_05]: succinct shot beautifully

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_05]: told many stories

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_05]: had like

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_05]: it's rudimentary to call it twist

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_05]: but I honestly was like

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_05]: 2019 like

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't I didn't see that

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_05]: we were gonna get such a deep

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_05]: follow up because Sarah and most

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_05]: of our listeners know I love when documentaries

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: span lengths of time

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_05]: so that you can actually see

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_05]: like you get

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_05]: more of the bigger picture as time goes on

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and stuff like that so

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I loved

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_05]: every single second

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_05]: of this like

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_05]: truly five magnifying glasses

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_05]: six magnifying glasses if we want to officially break the scale

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_05]: whatever

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_05]: please go see this I don't

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't care if you just sat through this whole

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_05]: this whole discussion go

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_05]: and also watch it because

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: we cannot

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_05]: do it justice you need

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: to listen to these girls stories you need

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_05]: to to center these stories

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just so glad that

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_05]: we were able to cover it I'm so glad

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_05]: that it was on Sarah's radar

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm so glad that we got to talk to Chantel who had

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_05]: some inside thoughts and I'm so glad

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_05]: we of course we have Latani here

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm glad

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_05]: for this beautiful panel of women

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_05]: so all of us

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[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Lataniya

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_05]: do you have anything going on where can the people

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_05]: find you

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah we just finished up our coverage

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: of house of the dragon over

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: at

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_03]: screen and page pod so please check me out over there

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[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: want to hear what I'm going to be

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: up to next you can follow me on twitter

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[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_05]: chan tell how about you what do you have going on

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_05]: where can the people find you

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: you can find me on twitter at

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: chan underscore underscore underscore

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: fran or at chan fran fran

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: on instagram and right now

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: on my youtube channel reality realness with

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: 3 s's I am

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: covering the challenge season 40

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: battle of the era so that's definitely

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: something I'm doing on a weekly basis and then

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: you'll find me

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: in and out of big brother coverage on

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: our ect

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_05]: awesome as Sarah what are you going

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_05]: on well

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: people can follow me at Sarah Karadine on all the

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: things if they'd like to do that

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: you can find me over on silent podcast

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: international where I just wrapped up

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: the traders New Zealand season 2

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: with the winner of season 1 and coming

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: up I'll be bringing you every

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: look in a RuPaul's Drag Race

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: global all stars

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm joining the date with

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Dateline podcast host Kimberly and Katie

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: on their live to cover

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: claim to fame and this season has been another

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: banger side recommendation a date

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: with Dateline how about you Murray

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_05]: of course you can follow me on twitter

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: at Murray talks too much that's

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_05]: to like number 2 where

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_05]: you know everything I'm doing but

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_05]: over on the recap kickback

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_05]: we did two things two very special

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_05]: things first off

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_05]: me and Chappelle talked about divorce in

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_05]: the black the Tyler Perry movie

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_05]: with Asia Welch

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_05]: that was a doozy

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: please go listen to us talk about

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_05]: that that was funny but

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_05]: for our true crime

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_05]: listeners me and Chappelle

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_05]: were able to review

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_05]: the real murders of

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Atlanta we were

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_05]: able to get our hands

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_05]: on a screener and

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_05]: we decided to cover it over there on recap kickback

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_05]: so if you want to hear

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_05]: me and Chappelle talk about true crime

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_05]: the only way that we know how to

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_05]: you can go to

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[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_05]: or you can go to youtube.com

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_05]: at recap kickback

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_05]: in order to see that

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_05]: also I am

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_05]: of course covering

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Big Brother 26 over on

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_05]: RHAP because it is Big Brother

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_05]: season and it

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_05]: is going nuts

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_05]: over there so if you want to know

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_05]: when I will be dropping in with Rob

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_05]: and Teran for Big Brother

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_05]: just make sure you follow me on twitter

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_05]: again that is at Marri Talks too much

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_05]: to like the number 2

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Sarah what are we watching next week?

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Next time on crime scene

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: we are covering worst

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: ex ever with Mary Payne

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Gilbert from the pink shade podcast

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you can watch that on Netflix

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: send us your comments and questions

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: thanks to

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Latayan Stark and Chantelle Francis

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_05]: for joining us

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_05]: we are from America for the theme music

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_05]: and the whole RHAP team behind

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_05]: the scenes