Worst Ex Ever season 2 | Crime Seen epsiode 198

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[00:00:32] I'm Mari Forth. I'm Sarah Carradine, podcasting from Unceded Gadigal Land.

[00:01:00] And this is Crime Seen, the True Crime Review Podcast, where we get to the heart of how true crime stories are told. This week we watched season 2 of Worst Ex Ever on Netflix. We covered season 1 in September of 2024 with Jason Reed. And we rated the season 4s across the board. The show comes to us from Blumhouse. We covered a few of their productions, as well as Worst Ex Ever. We did like Worst Roommate Ever.

[00:01:26] Look Into My Eyes was pretty good. But Florida Bad My Murders. The Jace. But we did do Our Father. And with us, his first appearance was covering Our Father. And now he's back for the 10th time, returning to cover season 2 of Worst Ex. It's Jason Reed. Jason, welcome back.

[00:01:51] Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me back. And again, a hearty hello to you, Sarah, you, Mari, and a great hearty hello to all my exes out there. I hope you're doing well. Don't try to sweet talk to him now. I'm confident. I left things in a good spot where you will not be inspired to come hunt me down and kill me or kidnap me or something. But just in case, a hearty hello to you all. Happy to be here, guys.

[00:02:21] Yeah, you know, you mentioned Our Father. I think that's probably one of our best properties we've ever covered together, the three of us. Yes, yes. My 10th time. What does the 10th timer get? Am I getting a jacket? Wait, wait. Check in the mail. It's in the mail. Don't worry. Check my mailbox. It's coming. It's coming. It checks in the mail. It is, I promise. Yeah. Listen, I didn't even realize this was my 10th time.

[00:02:50] Happy to have been on here 10 times. Where am I in the ranking? Where am I in the pantheon? I'm under Matt Scott. I'm under Chappelle. Who else? Who else is over me? Is that it? Mark Blankenship. Oh, okay. Mark Blankenship is that high too? I think he's at 11. Oh, wow. SDB, of course. She's the most. But other than that, I think you only got four people above you. Right, Sarah?

[00:03:20] Yeah. Listen, I'm honored. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. I love that you guys say, all right, we've got some of the worst of the worst. Who do we call? Jason. Yep. So you've been on 5% of our shows. I love that. If my math is correct. Yes. 200. Happy to talk about these. 10s into 200. I don't know. These terrible people. I always say when I come on here, you guys always make sure to remind me. Terrible people. Call Jason. Make sure to remind me. Things happening to kids.

[00:03:48] Of the worst of the worst people and of, you know, the fact that our legal system ain't shit. So thank you so much. You just described basically every episode we covered. True. Very true. And I was just about to say, is it sad that the worst X ever isn't even like the worst thing that we've had you cover? Like it's not even, it's not even. That is pretty sad. Quote unquote as bad. It's like, oh, just, just some murder. That's it. Like, you know.

[00:04:19] Two. Two in one episode. No. Only Bashery as one of the police, as one of the policemen said. Oh, it's only Bashery. So. Okay. All right. Only Bashery. Okay. So let's get to the episodes. Worst Ex Ever features four episodes. Um, covering different worst X's. Episode one entitled Dating the Deadpool Killer is about Wade Wilson.

[00:04:45] And if you remember, we covered the three part series Handsome Devil Charming Killer in January of this year. I gave it a four. Sarah gave it a 3.5. But to refresh your memory, Wade Wilson is a violent physical, sexual, psychological, and financial abuser. His abuse escalated to the night he killed Christine Melton. The following morning, he battered his fiance, Mila Montanez.

[00:05:11] Wade had tried unsuccessfully to force Mila into his car. He confirms that if she had got into the car, he would have killed her. He then picked up Diane Ruiz on the road and killed her too. He was found guilty and sentenced to death in 2024. Episode two entitled Primetime Predator features Jeffrey Paschel, who is a serial abuser. After being married four times, he proposes to girlfriend Kristen Wilson.

[00:05:41] He was violent and controlling with her as he had been with his previous wives. His brutal attack and kidnap of Kristen led to an 18-year sentence. While he was in this relationship with Kristen, he was conducting an online affair with Varya Molina, a Russian national. Within weeks of his assault of Kristen, he filmed the reality TV show 90 Day Fiance before the 90 days. And another good reason.

[00:06:10] I'm so glad we have Jason on here today. Varya stood by him during his trial and incarceration. The producers of the show knew he had many previous convictions for abuse, rape, child endangerment, dealing drugs, felony larceny, theft, and battery. He is barred from ever entering Canada. And the producers went ahead with airing his episodes in 2020.

[00:06:38] Episode three entitled A Fatal Attraction follows Joyce Peltzler, who is serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole for two separate murders involving her romantic partners. She pleaded guilty to the 2018 murder of her wife, Rosalind Lewis. She lured her victim to a hotel with the promise of signing divorce papers.

[00:07:00] Instead, she stabbed her 34 times and was in her car on the way to injuring or killing her girlfriend, Katie, when she was stopped by the police. She was shot in the neck but survived and she was convicted and sentenced to life with parole in the killing of Ros. Thanks to the testimony of her girlfriend, Katie, Joyce was convicted in 2023 for the 2011 cold case murder of her former girlfriend, Shondell McLeod.

[00:07:30] And finally, in episode four entitled Ride or Die, Karen Kummerer and Scott Freeman dated for eight months. After their breakup, Scott stalked and harassed Karen, eventually kidnapping her and taking her across multiple states in a week-long drive. In a phone call with her niece, Brenna, Karen kept saying that everything was fine and don't call the police. Brenna said to her, if you want me to call the police, say don't call the police again. She said it again.

[00:07:59] With the police now alerted to the crime, Karen left notes in bathrooms and truck stops so the police were able to follow their trail. Police eventually intercepted Scott at an ATM and in 2007, Scott was sentenced to life in prison and died there in 2025. And nobody cried. Okay, so again, we have four episodes here, four different cases.

[00:08:27] I am going to start by asking our guest, Jason, what was his favorite episode? And when I say favorite episode, I mean, what episode do you want to talk about first? What, you know, what episode were you surprised about? It's all on you. I got to go with my guy. Well, I don't want to say my guy. I want to go with who I was most, you know, familiar with. We'll go with Jeffrey and the primetime predator. Episode two.

[00:08:57] Episode two. It's funny because it's like when I saw the trailer for this, when, you know, Sarah reached out, I was like, hey, you want to cover this with us? I was like, is that? Oh, my God. That's that guy. I know who that guy is. So I was like, okay. I know something about this. And I remember because this was the season that he was on aired in like 2020. And that was the start of my 90 Day Fiancé journey. I think maybe this season was the first season I watched. And this is a big season for the 90 Day Fiancé franchise.

[00:09:26] This was Big Ed and Rose. This was Uzman and Baby Girl Lisa. I think Darcy or Stacey was on there. For those that know 90 Day Fiancé, you know this was a heavy hitting season. It was. Yeah, Jeffrey and Varya were on this season. And from just like I was not in I was not that big into the 90 Day Fiancé scene yet. I wasn't into the Reddits. I wasn't into the nitty gritty.

[00:09:50] So I had no idea all this other stuff was going on behind the scenes there where there were so many petitions about not airing his episodes because this was common knowledge that this man had a lot of baggage, you know, assaults and records for all these things. I had no idea this was going on. And I'm watching the show. And I'm like, as I'm watching the show, I'm like, this guy is weird. Like there's something off about this guy. Oh, something's off. Yeah.

[00:10:16] And it's like how little I knew or didn't know about how off his rocker he was. And then to even follow even further where he and Varya are still together. It's like, that's wild. Varya right now, like literally this day is still like in his house taking care of his dog, taking care of his rental properties. Like it's still ongoing. Like she herself has gotten to legal trouble by shoplifting a bunch of Lowe's in Tennessee.

[00:10:45] So she now has a record herself while her man is still in prison. So all this was going on. I had no idea. And then to really get into the nitty gritty of these episodes and find out like exactly what was going on is wild. And it really makes you take another look because as they're going through this episode and they're showing his different, you know, Instagram and his different – all his social media presence.

[00:11:11] It's like how does – how did anyone let this guy slip through the cracks? He's obviously off his rocker. He's obviously not right. And I thought – just to kind of tackle the show overall and we – the three of us covered Worst X Ever Season 1. Like what do you guys want to say about the Season 1 and Season 2 difference? I thought Season 2 was much more straightforward of cases. Season 1 has some real like unique – Twister. Twist.

[00:11:42] Yeah. Interesting cases. I thought this one was much more straightforward. So if I had to compare, I'd say I like Season 1 better. But of course Season 2 – it's all interesting and all good. But there were so many unique cases in Season 1. But yeah, like what did you guys think of the difference between Season 1 and 2? Sarah, I'll let you go first on that. Well, interestingly, I listened to our ratings of the last season. We were all very high on it. Fours across the board.

[00:12:10] And one thing that I said and you both agreed was that there was a flow through the season where it built and built to Episode 3, which is sort of the wildest. And then it dropped down to a kind of very straightforward but well done case in Season 4. So that was intriguing. Then watching this, I felt it was four separate episodes. I mean, which it literally is. But I feel like with the first season there was more of a flow about the order of the episodes.

[00:12:39] But I really liked this. I was familiar with two of the cases. I wasn't familiar with two. So I found it very interesting, especially with the Deadpool killer coming at it from a completely different angle. Different angle, yeah. Yeah. So in the docu-series, it started with Mila and worked backwards. And here we start with Kelly and her sexual assault by Wade, her going to the cops, the cops deciding to believe Wade.

[00:13:08] We see the interview with Wade. Oh, my God. That was awful. And her social media campaign contacting people, trying to save them from Wade, and her dragging sadness that she feels that Christine and Diane might not have died if she had done more. Girl, what more could you do? You did it all. It was those police that didn't do it. I completely agree, Sarah, about...

[00:13:39] I like seasons one and two. I also thought this season had kind of a flow because I thought episode three in this batch was the craziest. I was like, oh, my gosh. Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. And so I did like the ebb and flow of it all. I do agree that these were a little bit more straightforward. I think that's what happens when you have two kind of pretty well-known cases on here.

[00:14:03] The Deadpool killer one wasn't my favorite. But I do want to say I agreed with you, Sarah, in the sense of like, I loved how they completely came at it a different angle. For those of you who liked the episode one here on Worst X ever, definitely go back and watch Handsome Devil because you get Mila's story.

[00:14:32] Like this one barely tells you Mila's story. It's kind of wild that Mila is like a side character when that was like, from what we understood, that was his main girlfriend. And so to really show, yes, Jason, they really showed that this man is a hobosexual, meaning he will sleep with anybody to sleep on their sofa.

[00:14:59] And I loved, weird, weird way to put it, but meeting Chris here because- Yes, so good. Because Sarah, I really think, I think in that last one, we were kind of like, remember at the end when they, when he was like talking to guys on the phone to get his commissary and stuff? Me and you were like, like, we were like, something's not being said here.

[00:15:22] And so for them in this one to introduce Chris, who is also one of Wade's exes, he sleeps with Chris so that he can stay in his RV. They post on Facebook and Facebook official. I was like, well, I'll be like, they really did a great job of taking a case that has received a lot of attention and doing something different with it. But we definitely got to talk about episode three.

[00:15:52] Episode three to me was the wild, such a wild ride because from the beginning, I was like sitting there trying to figure out, I was like, okay, we're introduced to Katie. Katie, who is, who is this white lady? And she just starts talking about, about the woman she's seeing. And she says, she's like, oh, her name was Joyce. And they show this black lady. I was like, ah, damn. We almost got away with it. We almost got through the whole thing. So we get a queer representation. So I'm going, yeah. All into one. And you get a black representation. Yeah.

[00:16:22] And I was like, all right. Well, listen. Please let Katie be the worst ex. No. No. At least the men get an episode off was my thought. At least for once, we are not the worst of humanity. This is all the women here. I was like, good. But yeah, that whole story was so wild. It was so wild. I go back and forth on whether or not I like the constant shifting and flashbacks. They did it a few times in this season where it's like, all right, the main thing.

[00:16:51] Like, oh, but wait, you don't even know the whole story. We're going to go back 12 years. I liked it in these stories because it did it to good effect because it led you up to a certain point. And it was like, you thought you heard some crazy shit here. Like, you don't even know. You don't even know all of this. Let me talk about this crazy shit before here to give you some context and some texture about what's going on right now. So I really enjoyed the way they did that. And I think they did like three of the four episodes. It was like, but wait, there's more. So I enjoyed it for the most part.

[00:17:21] And this episode three, Fatal Attraction, is that the name of that one? Yeah. A Fatal Attraction. It was so twisty and turny. And I love that type of storytelling. So it was really good. It was so funny because I had James watch like the first two episodes with me and we were halfway through the third episode. And he had to work and I was like, I got to finish this. And he's like, it's OK. And I was like, all right. And so we stopped halfway through the third episode. So then I started watching the rest of the third episode.

[00:17:50] I was like, oh, my God. He came up. I was like, baby, got crazier. Explained to him like what happened? Because it was just like that. I was not expecting that. When we're introduced to Joyce through Katie's eyes and Joyce is supposed to be separated from her wife. And then we find out like, oh, and then she's like, oh, and they're asking me about my girlfriend from a few years ago. She's like, oh, yeah, that's fine at first.

[00:18:18] And then she slowly reveals to Katie, well, me and my wife, Rosalyn, we might have killed my ex or Joyce killed the ex and Rosalyn might have helped her like dispose of the body. I was still not even like sure about that. I think Rosalyn was nowhere near that. Yeah, Rosalyn was not involved at all. OK, good. According to Joyce, she was. But according to facts, she was not.

[00:18:44] Which Joyce had told Katie that she had like hired a hitman or something. And that and the hitman and her did the whole thing. And then she switched it up. Oh, is that what she said? Yeah. And then she switched it up, trying to put it on Ros to the police. Like, according to her for the police, they were like, yeah, I wasn't nowhere near that. I was all Ros. That was all this dead woman. They can't they can't defend herself now. That was freaking well. I think in this whole season, too, it was interesting to kind of display the psychopathy

[00:19:12] of different people because like all these people were nuts. Like, I think in season one, it was more of a like devious, menacing mentality. All these people this season was like, no, they they are certifiably crazy. They shouldn't be going to jail. They should be going to a mental institution. Like, because they are like, especially with with Joyce, who was like, yeah, weirdly

[00:19:37] like telling on herself to to Katie, like if she was just if she was a straight evil person, I don't think she would be like wanting to tell about her crimes, too, because it was like a compulsion where she had to tell Katie about her crimes. And then we hear the thing about, you know, they're staying together and Katie wants to leave to go to the store. And Joyce bolts out of a shower to like put a knife to Katie's throat. Like, you're not leaving nowhere. You're not leaving me ever. It's like, oh, yeah, OK. You're not.

[00:20:06] The telling of the deep, dark, disgusting secret, especially I don't know if we've Mary, if you want to actually say it, but how Shondell was killed is is just horrifying. But that's part of trauma bonding herself to Katie and part of the coercive control that she has already started. It's like the testing that controllers do where will you take this? Will you take this? Will you take this? And so she tells her about the killing of Shondell.

[00:20:36] But of course, she can always turn around to the police. I mean, she she was thought that she could turn around to the police and blame Roz. So it was it was slightly risky, but not completely risky. Right. And and and then when she's talking to Katie, because Joyce is kind of doing the same thing, right? Joyce is relying on her romantic partners for her money, for her places to live.

[00:21:05] Like Shondell was paying for everything. She had bought a house and was slowly kicking Joyce out because Joyce couldn't hold down a job and all of that. Joyce got mad that Shondell tried to leave her. She kills her. Her and Roz didn't get married again. That same type of thing. Roz starts paying for everything. And not only that, but like like Roz and Shondell were paying for stuff and Joyce was cheating on both of them.

[00:21:34] Joyce cheated on Shondell with Roz. And then we find out that Joyce was cheating on Roz with Katie. And they won't be the only ones. You know that. Yeah, for sure. There's more. Exactly. And but but Roz, who is paying for everything, slowly starts to leave her and tries to kick her out. And this is when now, like you said, Joyce is telling Katie like, oh, well, I might have to kill Roz.

[00:22:01] And it's testing her for like, well, you know, I kill Roz. Katie tells Roz, tells Roz like, oh, Joyce is planning to kill you. Roz tells her family. They they think that they circumvent Joyce's first attempt against Roz's life. And you're like, okay, I like this is what was so twisty about it. Because I was like, oh, thank God. I was like, you know, Roz, you know, we weren't seeing Roz. Did you think Roz was dead? Or I don't know.

[00:22:30] I was holding out hope. I was holding out so much hope. I was hoping there was a twist. I was holding out so much hope. I was hoping for that empty chair. And then Roz walks into frame and sits in. Even though I hate that trope. But Sister Erica is so present and so vibrant that I thought, yeah, I don't think Roz made it. But then she was warned. So I thought, oh, phew. Okay. So Katie warned her. Phew. She couldn't possibly go alone to meet Joyce in a motel.

[00:22:59] I don't like to victim blame. Like, I don't. No, no, no. In every episode of this season, I was like, they would say this outlandish, off-the-wall stuff that they saw their partner do. And they're like, and so we say it together for about seven more months. I'm like, I don't. Like, why? And then in this one, for Roz to be like, I have confirmed that my ex wants to kill me. You know what a great thing to be would do?

[00:23:31] To go and meet her by myself to serve her divorce papers. That won't get her mad and do anything. And then for Joyce to stab her 34 times. Crazy word. Wild. And Roz was still alive when the first responders got there. And even then, I was holding out hope. I was holding out hope. I was like, she's still alive. She's talking. They showed the knife. I was like, that's a pretty shallow knife. I was like, maybe. And then they said 34 times. And I was like, oh.

[00:23:57] And then they finally say that she passed away from her injuries. And I was pissed, man. I was pissed. I was like, this did not need to happen. Like, Jason, I think, I hate to put it on the men folk. But you and James probably had the same sentiment. Like, in the first two or three episodes, James was like, why? Why? And I'm like, you know, it's hard. It's just hard. Like, when you're, like Sarah says, when you're bonding with that person, when you're in love

[00:24:25] with that person, and it's like, it's harder for people to let go. I get that. But it was just so unnecessary that I was just so pissed that we end up losing Roz. And, but Joyce doesn't get away with it because it's so obvious. She, even while she's on her way to try and get to Katie, I don't, I don't know if she was going to kill Katie. I don't, I don't think so. I think at the point, she still probably thought she had control over Katie. She called her 37 times.

[00:24:55] She did. She was on her way to her. I know she was on her way. Katie did not pick up, which would be very infuriating. I think very interestingly about, you know, saying, why don't they leave? In the second episode, the first wife tells it perfectly because it's these men and women's job to control their romantic partners. And they're very, very good at it. They pick the correct person to do it to.

[00:25:23] And you can see, particularly when children are in the case, why people stay. It is very hard to leave. I've had two close friends who had to literally flee in the night after years of me buttoning my lip because you cannot say, why don't you leave? But why don't you leave? Yeah. But you don't leave. And that's the sentiment, right? Because I don't. And we understand. Right. We do understand. Like, I know that's the case.

[00:25:51] But when you're watching this edited TV show and you hear them be like, you hear them summarize it because we don't, we're not living the life with them. So we can't, we can't see the, I'm sure the great time that they had that also repelled them to be like, well, we've had good times. We had a few bad times, but we're seeing this, you know, edited show of like, you see all this bad stuff you didn't leave. But it's because we're not living it. We don't see the good moments that inspire them to stay. So I totally get that.

[00:26:17] I mean, one of the things, one of the things these abusers do is completely take away the self-confidence of the person and implant in them, no one will ever love you. You know, you're terrible, you're disgusting, you're awful, and no one will ever love you. I mean, be single. How about that? But that, if that confidence is taken away and that ability to have agency, it is very hard. It is very hard to leave.

[00:26:44] And we hear in some of the stories that they also physically couldn't leave because a door was locked or the car keys were taken or they're living out on a farm miles from anywhere. And they are like literally unable to leave as well as emotionally and psychologically. Yeah. I mean, and for Katie, there was an instance where it was like, okay, I think I've gone too far into this that now I can't break up with this person without them maybe killing me. But I think it was like with Katie where that whole night this had happened with Joyce running out of the shower.

[00:27:14] And then Katie goes, well, after that, just try not to piss her off. It's like, well, I mean, like at that point, I'd be like, okay, I don't think I could be with you anymore. If you're out here jumping out the shower, try to hit me with a knife. I think that would probably be my breaking point. But yeah, after Joyce exhibits some more really troubling behavior, I think at that point, Katie's like, well, I'm just too scared to just leave at that point. Because if I leave, she'll try to kill me. I love the detective, Henry Guest.

[00:27:43] He's like, he tells both Katie and Roz at one point. He's like, no, you better watch out. Like, you better be careful. Yeah. Like, okay. You're in danger. Yeah. You're in danger, girl. I get there. Thanks. Thanks, officer, for giving me that great advice. Why don't you try something else to help me? He's just like, you better watch it. She's coming to you next. I was like, okay. I don't know if that's like the best help you can give me right now. And then for him to, and they didn't really delve into this much, but he kind of used Katie as like an informant.

[00:28:12] It's like, he's putting her in even more danger of being like, you know what you should do. You should try and tape her. It's like, okay. I'm not a police officer. I'm not someone that shouldn't be doing this. I'm just a regular person. But, you know, thank God for Katie who did the work. Like, you know, we have, you know, I know in probably in every case you guys talk about, we have these like heroes, right? We talk about, I think our, in our father, Jacobo was her name, right? It was like the hero of the story.

[00:28:39] Katie is definitely the hero of this episode because she is, she is so forthright in trying to do the right thing, trying to bring justice to Shondell. She hears a little bit about Shondell and she makes it kind of her mission to like find out what happened to Shondell. And she didn't need to do that. She could have heard about Shondell and was like, well, that's in the past. I'm not worried about that. But she, she took, she took the time to try and figure out what happened and actually was proactive in trying to get justice for Shondell in certain cases.

[00:29:07] She, she was like, at a certain point was like, well, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna mess with that no more. But then when she got contacted by a detective guest, it was just like, oh, like now I'm on a mission to get justice for Shondell. So I love that about, about that episode in particular. Exactly. How shitty is it for Joyce to have stabbed Roslyn 34 times, killed this woman, and then gets on a high speed chase with police. In my mind, she's trying to die by suicide by cop. And like, that's what I thought as well.

[00:29:36] Cop's surrounding her, shooting into her car. She gets hit once in the neck and survives. It's like, what the hell, man? Like, it's like, how bad y'all's aims have to be to only hit her one time. Y'all all surrounded her, shooting her car with bullets. It's kind of like, you know, you hear about the thing with like, when people get into drunk driving accidents, the drunk driver is used to one that comes out the best. It's just like, it's similar to that. Like she, she just murdered this woman.

[00:30:02] And now she just has, you know, not just had a gunshot in the neck, but she survives. She's fine. Like that is just not justice in my mind. She should have gone down in a hell of bullets in that car and been, you know, done to smithereens. But I guess some people will say life in prison is even worse. So who knows? That case was, it was a roller coaster. And it's, it's really unfortunate that two women lost their lives because this lady really

[00:30:30] just could not handle being broken up with. And so that was, yeah, that was, that was a lot. I do think that episode four, like Sarah said, was the come down episode. It was, it was still, it took, it just took a while to kind of get revved up, right? Because it starts with Karen talking about the domestic violence that's happening between her and her partner, Scott.

[00:30:58] And we, we get Karen here. We get her niece, Brenna. We get like all of her friends. So there's no real mystery here because she's talking to us, right? Right. So at the very least we know, well, we can ascertain that she's not dead. I want to say nobody's dead, but we don't know that. We just like, she's not dead. I mean, we had the same thing with Katie too, with Joyce.

[00:31:27] Like it ended up two people being dead, like that, that, that from Joyce's hands. So you never know. Yes. You never know. Exactly. Um, but once, once they started talking about the, the literal cross state line kidnapping that, that happens, like that's when it's tense. I'm like, oh my God, I'm like in my seat again. I'm, she's sitting here talking to me, but I'm still trying to figure out what, how this, you know, went. Didn't she find it tense though? Even though she was there, I was like, I wonder if she's going to be okay.

[00:31:57] It's okay. Cause she's talking to us. I wonder if he kills her. Oh no, he can't kill her. Cause she's there. So I think they did that very well. The juice was definitely worth the squeeze because the way they told the story, it was definitely very like, like a thriller gripping at your seat. There was a whole plot with the notes. I was like, oh, that's, that's smart. Good job, Karen. Good job. Like you're doing good. So I think the way they told it was a really good, uh, good way to do it. Um, and kind of like left you wondering like, how is this going to, how's it going to resolve? Yes.

[00:32:26] We know that Karen is okay, but how did it all? What happened? I think this one in particular, well, this, this one in particular, we do talk aftermath with Karen. Like, even though he's in prison, even though he died last year, her confidence being shaken, her inability to be alone and a whole lot of, so it's not just that you didn't die. Yay. There's a whole knock on effect that, that I think it was very good to put a spotlight on. Yeah.

[00:32:56] Yeah. I was, I was kind of, uh, freaked out at the fact that, you know, we, we get introduced to Karen, we hearing about the whole story and then through flashbacks, we get introduced to Kim and it's like, wait, did my, did my Netflix star all over again? Because like Kim and Karen had the exact same story, like went to a medium and we did the tarot cards and you know, she pulled the devil cards. Like, okay, what, what, how is this? This is crazy. Get me believing in tarot cards all of a sudden.

[00:33:25] Let's get to our final thoughts and ratings. Jason, how many magnifying glasses are you going to rate season two of Worst Ex Ever out of a possible five? Sarah said earlier, I did four for the last time and I thought this was good. I don't know if I thought it was as good as season one. So maybe I'll give it a 3.5. I didn't think it was good. And by the way, just, just, just for nothing.

[00:33:50] I don't know what I said about the animation last time, but, uh, I enjoy the animation. I think I'm having, and if I ever need to be animated, I want this team to do it because like, you see, you see the real life version of Scott and the way they, they do Scott in the show. If anyone's ever going to animate me like in life or whatever reason, let it be this team. Cause they, they did Scott some justice. Let them give me some like defined muscles. Let me give them one.

[00:34:19] Let them slim me down a little bit. Cause they show Scott's real picture. I was like, that don't look like the animation y'all been showing me. But you know, that means you're on worst X ever season three. So these people could be doing some other animation. I don't have to like, I don't have to be like, if I'm on worst X ever, I want to be the hero like that, that'll be my thing. Like I was the one that called the cops when my friend was too, uh, too scared to do it or whatever it is. Um, but yeah, uh, yeah.

[00:34:47] So 3.5 is what I'll give this one. Not to say that it was bad, but, uh, not as good as season one. So I have to remain consistent with my ratings. Sarah, how about you? How many magnifying glasses are you going to rate a season two of worst X ever? Well, uh, unlike Jason, I am not going to remain consistent because it's a rating, not a ranking. Season one is definitely better, but I still think I'm going to give, well, I don't think I know I'm going to give four to this.

[00:35:17] These very, very well done. The Deadpool killer is longer about an hour and 15 minutes, but the others are under an hour and very efficiently told. The storytelling is fantastic. The timeline. We always know where we are, even when we're jumping backwards and forwards. It's the animation. I did write down one of my notes, uh, when I was watching primetime predator, which I think that episode two and episode three to me are the standout episodes.

[00:35:42] I did write down in my notes when we found out that Varya stayed with 90 day Jeffrey and still is. I said, Varya, what are you doing? And then a little title comes up. Varya is an American citizen. Oh, I see. Good girl. Why don't you get it? You find out if your husband is unifier and then you marry him and then you stay. So yeah. So for me, I'm going to say four. How about you, Mary? I am. I like this just as much.

[00:36:12] I'm like, I'm gonna go with four. Yeah. I'm gonna go with four. Uh, I thought that even though I, when it first started, I was like, oh man, we just covered Wade Wilson. I was like, we just did this. They, again, still managed to find a way that I was hooked. I got more information about basically how psychotic he was. We got the footage from the police officer. I had never, oh my God. It really reminded me of victim suspect.

[00:36:40] Seeing that new video footage about the police officer, uh, taking Kelly's statement about Wade Wilson and him basically grilling her and be like, okay. And then, then watching him then talk to Wade. And I was, I, oh my God, I haven't been so pissed since we watched victim suspect. Like him. I mean, I'm on her side. I'm on her side, but obviously I have to be on her side because I'm a police officer. I've got to protect her. But come on, man. I mean, you know, you wouldn't do that. You're not that kind of man, are you? You're not that kind of man.

[00:37:10] Would you like to do a, uh, lie detector test? No, I wouldn't. Oh, okay. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. It was, it was so mad. It was so maddening. It was so maddening. At first I thought like, is it, is he like setting him up right now? Is he like lulling him into a false security? I'm on your side, man. We're men. Then it was just like, no, he didn't even. We're men. We're men. Like he closed the case. I don't even run in the DNA. It was like, what the hell? Like, no, he's just a really bad cop.

[00:37:36] And then to find out he got, he got like suspended for three weeks. They don't have to serve two weeks of the suspension. And it's still working as a police officer. How is that possible? How do you let that, that is an injustice. That is the definition of injustice where he's like going into this. Like, he's like, you know, like basically he's like man, women, right? Like these, these chicks, man, they just, they just be crazy. Yeah. I know you do this, man. You're a good kid. You're a good guy. Cause he's a young muscular white man. It's just like, you, you wouldn't do that though.

[00:38:06] Would you wait? Let me just say, I did not clock the, uh, the title of the episodes. And when did we find out his name was Wade? And they're like, Wade Wilson. I was like, that's Deadpool's name. And then he started talking about the fact that it's Deadpool. I was like, okay. Yeah. They know they're on it. Like this was, this was geared for me. Cause it was like Jeffrey's my dad fiance. Deadpool. It's like, they, they, they made this for me. Uh, Jason, you bringing up the DNA is really interesting because we very, we, I thought

[00:38:35] it was a very judicious placement of documentation. So Kelly has to go through a battery of procedures to collect DNA, which are very invasive because of where they have to go and the shame, the embarrassment and all of that. They didn't even run the DNA against Wade's DNA. Crazy. Just honestly ridiculous.

[00:38:58] And he, and it, the story, like he literally bound her and sexually assaulted her in a car over hours. Like it, like, it's not a story where it's like, oh, we, we got drunk at a party. No, like it was like such a horrific story. Like she had their pictures of her lips busted, ligature marks, the bruises around her neck, like obvious signs of, of attack.

[00:39:26] Like if Potter, if Potter was part of the, uh, primetime predator storyline, he would have believed Jeffrey's bullshit about, yeah, she just slammed her head into the, into the wall. Like Potter would be like, yep, you know, those girls, they'll do that. They ran into the door five times. I've seen it a million times. Yeah. Yeah. Potter's like, bring me Potter. This man, he's publicly executed. That was fricking crazy. And I will say something I really like, something that really heightens or lowers my enjoyment

[00:39:54] of one of these, one of these, uh, one of these true crime properties is the amount of footage we can get. And with the Wade stuff, I love the amount of footage we had. We had the interviews, the moment where he's like talking to his biological dad and like that. Well, I don't know if you guys already saw that because you already were, you know, I have, yes, we had seen that. That to me was amazing because it just kind of shows Wade's mindset.

[00:40:21] Like he is, he is off his rocker because he's like, as soon as his biological dad talks, I was like, oh no. Yeah. They were on the news. Oh my gosh. And dad's like, you have to fix this. This is like, you, you need to, to get this done. And he's, and Wade sees me listening to that. It was like, it was so weird of how his headspace was. So I loved all that. I love seeing all that footage. Uh, so that, that was really what kind of like set this one in particular apart from the rest for me.

[00:40:47] And also with Joyce and, and Roz and all that, seeing that footage of like them discovering Roz's body and the first responders being there, that was just like, it really heightened things to have that footage in there. So I just wanted to say that before we got away from the whole thing. Like that was a part of this that I really, really loved. I'm definitely going to give season two, uh, another four. I really liked it. Production seemed to be the same as season one.

[00:41:16] There were cases that I knew cases. I didn't know overall, very interesting watch. I did not struggle through these episodes. Not at all. Not in the least. I was actually very excited to watch all of them. Um, Blumhouse did it again. So yeah, I'll give this a four. Mary didn't fall asleep. Everybody. Exactly. Exactly. Even though that is not an indicator of if the property is good or not.

[00:41:45] Mary just works hard, y'all. So now she just falls asleep because she's tired. Exactly. Listener Meredith posted on Blue Sky. You know, we love to hear from you all. Uh, she said, watching Netflix's Should I Marry a Murderer? And all I can think is, I hope crime scene covers this. Your wish is our command, Meredith. So this property is number one on Netflix just now. It's a story from Scotland.

[00:42:15] With minis we generally don't spoil, so I'll just give you a general idea. Dr Caroline Muirhead started dating Sandy McKellar after a bad breakup that she had. He was perfect. He love-bombed her and asked her to marry him within six months. He then told her his dark secret. Whilst driving home from the pub one night with his brother Robert, he struck and killed cyclist Tony Parsons.

[00:42:41] They buried the body together and Tony Parsons became a missing person. The police had no leads. Until Caroline went to the police but continued her relationship with Sandy. I'm not going to say any more because it's absolutely fascinating. Mary, before we give our reactions, let's just hear from Meredith. Hey crime scene, this is Meredith. I saw Should I Marry a Murderer as number one on Netflix last week and decided to give it a try.

[00:43:10] I ended up being pleasantly surprised that the documentary had a compelling story and obviously wasn't as straightforward as the title made it seem. I found myself empathising with Caroline even though she made some truly wild choices. As the episodes went by, I became completely enraged at the misogynist Scottish prosecutor as well as their whole legal system for treating Caroline so poorly. Even though I was pretty unfamiliar with the Scottish system, anyone should be able to see how they messed up over and over.

[00:43:37] There's definitely a lot of lessons to learn from the story about witness protection. I'm curious to hear what Sarah and Mari think of how the documentary used all the footage from Caroline's phone. I personally thought most of it added to the story and made you feel more immersed but it was a little overused. Can't wait to hear your review. Thanks so much, Meredith. And remember, listeners, you can always send us a SpeakPipe on any topic. We love hearing your reviews but commentary and compliments are also welcome.

[00:44:04] SpeakPipe.com slash CrimeScenePod. And AJ Mass, who joined us for Floribama Murders, we owe you, also commented, oh, the misogyny. So, Mari, what were your overall thoughts, non-spoilery, on this property? Non-spoilery overall thoughts. I agree with Meredith. I'm trying not to spoil it. I thought it was really good. Like, I truly thought it was really good.

[00:44:32] In a week where we have to watch seven total episodes, I was kind of scared I wasn't going to get to it. But I did. And I was all the better for it. It just, again, goes to show you how you can get pulled into a relationship and start to think outside of yourself and start to do very questionable things.

[00:44:54] Um, so, if you go in thinking about it like that, you know, some of her choices, they're, they make, they don't make sense. But it was just, it was just really interesting to hear everything from her point of view. And I, again, agree the Scottish authorities did not do a very good job on a number of things in this case.

[00:45:21] Um, but the funny thing about the phone thing that Meredith, uh, pointed out, I actually went back and wound it a couple of times during the parts where they were really showing, they were showing a lot of her Snapchats. And I was just, I really wanted to figure out was like the stuff that she was saying or, or putting on the moment onto the moment in the real time, like in the real time with us, if it was actually syncing up to what those Snapchats look like.

[00:45:50] Because at one point I was like, hmm, like these Snapchats and how they are, how you look in them doesn't really kind of coincide with what you're saying you were thinking here. But you know what? I'm gonna let it ride. You know what I'm talking about, Sarah? I was like, I don't know, girl. I don't know. But it's okay. Because no matter what, at the very end of the day, she was a, a very brave person for doing what she did.

[00:46:20] Oh, incredibly brave. And I, I liked that we have her with us now. She does walk us through it. It's, it's so similar to, I mean, it's a great week to do both of these properties. Yes. The love bombing. He's tall. He's handsome. He's lovely. She's recovering from a previous, not very good relationship. Her friends are saying, oh, hold on, I don't know about these guys. The trauma bonding from telling the story. What does she do with that?

[00:46:49] The misogyny is unbelievable. One of our male talking heads calls her Miss Muirhead. And it's like, every time he said that, I said, ah, it's Dr. Muirhead. And the awful misogynistic man does say Dr. Muirhead. And I thought, well, at least he's saying doctor. And then I realized he was using it to smear her because he was saying, well, Dr. Muirhead is a sensible, intelligent woman. And so she should have known blah, blah, and blah. I thought, you absolute dog.

[00:47:19] So not, that's an instance. That's sorry, dogs. I love dogs. You absolute wrong-un. It's, the reason that we're trying not to spoil is it, we do want you to watch it. Well, I certainly do. The title is so dumb. It is. I don't know when I would have gotten to it. So thanks, Meredith and AJ for pointing us in that direction. Get past the title. And it's extremely well made.

[00:47:47] And Caroline, in the last frame, they say, that's it. The producers say, that's it. She takes her microphone off and she says, thank God. And we feel the same with her. We feel, oh, good. Thank you. Thank you that there's not more. Thank you that there's not more. So I'm going to give this five magnifying glasses. How about you, Mari? Yeah. Okay. I will take it down a notch because some of those recreations were nutty. Just nutty. You know what I'm saying?

[00:48:16] It looked like weird 3D POV recreations. She was like, Sandy called me on my phone. Cut to a POV of her, of somebody picking up a phone and it's saying Sandy on it. I was like, and it was like really weird 3D-ish. I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to give it a 4.5 just for that. Those recreations were too much. They were just a little too much for me. Look, I'll give you that.

[00:48:46] They slid past me. And just one thing that we didn't say about 90 Day Jeffrey is that one of his jobs was a reenactor on crime shows. Oh, yeah. Just. Yeah, I had no idea about that. I was like, I got to find some of these crime shows and figure out how I can watch this. I had no idea he was an actor. I don't even think they really said what he did on the show. The show, his storyline was so nutty on the show. Nutty. Nutty. Nutty. There was a moment where he and Varya had been dating.

[00:49:14] He left her in her country after she didn't accept his proposal. He came back, was like almost kind of dating another person. And then Varya comes back and surprises him. Like, I want you back. It was so weird. It made me think like, who here knows about everything that's been going on with him? And why are all these women fighting over this man who they may or may not know is like a serial like criminal? Because it's his job. Because it's like scammers.

[00:49:41] You shouldn't be embarrassed to be scammed by a scammer because it is their entire job to do it. And his entire job was to, you know, and if somebody's not going to be susceptible, he's got his tests. If they're not susceptible, he moves on to the next one. Yeah. Well, I'm sure with these, with the limited amount of women he had, there are probably hundreds of other ones that saw through his nonsense. And was like, no, go try it on someone else. Jason, do you have anything to recommend to our listeners? Do I have anything to recommend?

[00:50:08] I mean, right now, we are in the land of milk and honey when it comes to comic book TV shows. We have a trio right now that either just wrapped or is wrapping. I would say The Boys, Invincible, and Daredevil Born Again are just doing it as no one else does. If you want to see, especially with Daredevil and The Boys, if you want an interesting parallel to real life things that are going on right now,

[00:50:34] these are things that will make you frustrated, will make you laugh, and will just kind of remind you some things that happen that you wish could happen in real life. Let me just say that. So that's what I'll say. The trio of The Boys, Daredevil, and Invincible. Sarah, what do you have to recommend to our listeners? Well, I don't know if you've heard of a rather obscure little show called Abbott Elementary.

[00:51:02] I have literally just started watching it. It's on Disney in Australia. If you, listener like me, have always had something else that was just ahead of it in your queue, you need to jump it to the top of the queue. Barbara, that is all I will say. Barbara. Barbara. So feel free to message me about what an idiot I am to have waited for so long, but then I will respond to you that I have 93 episodes to watch and you don't. So jealous of you.

[00:51:30] Abbott Elementary is like one of the best comedies that may have been ever produced. And listen, if you want companion content, our friends over at Recap Kickback do recaps of all the Abbott Elementary stuff. So check that out as well. Exactly. They do a great job recapping. Great recommendation. And of course, RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars Season 11 has dropped its double episode premiere. So that's available on Stan in Australia. Get into it if you're into it.

[00:52:01] If you're not or you've never watched RuPaul's Drag Race before, I don't know if it's the place to start. But hey, feet first. That's what I say. What about you, Mari? What have you got to recommend? Well, you stole my recommendation. I was going to say RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 11. But yeah, if you've listened to this show for this long, you should know that we are like adamant Drag Race fans. So I am so ready for this season.

[00:52:29] I'm always here for a little for format tweaks. So we'll see how they tweak this from the last tweak from the last season. You know what I'm saying? So I can't get enough Drag Race no matter how they give it to me. I just can't get enough. I'm also going to recommend the book My Husband's Wife by Alison Feeney.

[00:52:55] Alison Feeney is an author I've recommended on here before for like a book. I've didn't book recommendations from her. Plus, we I think we had a recommendation of her show that was on Netflix, His and Hers as well. Her latest book, My Husband's Wife, is another psychological thriller like masterpiece about a woman who she goes for a jog.

[00:53:22] She comes back, knocks on the door and there's a woman there who looks exactly like her, who basically kind of stole her life. So, yeah, go check it out. It is so far. It's been a great read for me. It was recommended to me by Friend of the Pod, Kirsten McGinnis. And so I'm just I'm just like going through books right now, just diving through books. So check that out. I've just I've just ordered that from my library.

[00:53:52] Now, be careful if you are also ordering it because it is Alice Feeney, not My Husband's Wife by Jane Corey, nor My Husband's Wife by Amanda Prowse, nor My Husband's Lover by Jess Ryder, nor My Squirrel Days by Ellie Kemper. Right. None of those.

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[00:55:14] Jason, what do you have going on and where can the people find you? You can always find me chit-chatting about a number of different things. I am on the podcast A Perfect Match with my co-host, Asia Welch, who you may or may not recognize from Svon47. We talk about the show made it for a site. Both Mari and Sarah have been on the show several times talking about the nonsense that goes on. We have a Patreon right now where we are going into the vault of different seasons of the show. We've got full rewatches of Season 11, Season 1, Season 10. We're working on Season 12 right now. We just started that.

[00:55:44] That is one of the more ridiculous seasons with one of the biggest dating marriage show villains you'll ever see. So check that out over on Patreon over at The Perfect Match Podcast. You can also find me on The Good Pod where me and Marissa Garza are rewatching The Good Wife and talking about that. We are into Season 5, so we are more than halfway done with The Good Wife. Then we'll move on to The Good Fight. We also talk about Elsbeth, the other spinoff of The Good Wife as it is currently airing its third season. So that's all the places you can find me.

[00:56:17] What do you have going on and where can the people find you, Sarah? You can follow me on Blue Sky at Sarah Carradine. I'm covering The Traitor's Turkey A with Annabelle Fiddler on Babes in the Conclave. We're having a lot of fun there. We are just about to record the finale. Those Turkish celebrities also be crazy. And I jumped in for Mel Barrett in her live show with Rebecca Lavoie. It's called Something's Off. And we had a great time there.

[00:56:47] I was extremely amusing and intellectual. I don't actually know because I haven't done it yet. What about you, Mari? Where can the people find you? You can find me on Blue Sky at MariTalksTooMuch. That's too likely number two. You can also find me at the aforementioned Recap Kickback. You can go to RecapKickback.com or go to YouTube.com slash Recap Kickback, where Chappelle talks about whatever he wants. Currently, me and him are talking about movies.

[00:57:14] So I believe we will be talking about Is God Is next week. And then once June starts, we are going to be burning that midnight oil because we will be bringing you both the Vampire Lestat coverage and House of the Dragons Season 3 coverage. So a lot is going on over on Recap Kickback. So make sure you subscribe and go listen. Sarah, what are we watching next week?

[00:57:42] Well, Kim messaged us on Instagram. So you can find us everywhere to say, Hi there. Hi, Kim. I'm sure everyone is writing in about should I marry a murderer? Because, yes! But I wanted to throw the Cult of Nature Boy in the hat as an option. It was a wild ride. Kim, you and the listeners are in luck. We are covering the Cult of Nature Boy next week with Kamaria Hopkins from Black Girls Talking TV,

[00:58:11] making her crime scene debut. It will not be the last time she's on. You can watch the documentary on Hulu and you can send us your comments and questions and, of course, reviews on SpeakPipe. Thanks to Jason Reed for joining us, Will from America for the theme music, and Blumhouse Productions for cranking out some really good stuff. Like A1. Until next time, case closed.