Crime Seen | Episode 97: QUIET ON SET

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[00:05:22] So what does it look like to call for more info on kind of everything we're talking about today?

[00:05:30] Sasha and I did cover, I'm glad my mom is dead by Jeanette McCurdy when the book came out which talks about a lot of things that.

[00:05:38] I guess allegedly are also talked about in this podcast and in this documentary.

[00:05:42] as well beyond the blinds did a podcast, this was over a year ago at this point where they went through

[00:05:49] every case that had a legal filing associated with it about kind of sex abuse in Hollywood

[00:05:59] including Ryan Peck and that is a very grim as well but very informative podcast that has

[00:06:06] a bit more info if you're looking for that.

[00:06:10] Curson, was that podcast about just Nickelodeon or was it about Disney and other?

[00:06:16] It was more in general they were talking about how in the union requirements it was like

[00:06:24] if you're registered sex offender you could go work on another network,

[00:06:28] just not the network where you had offended. They talk about numerous cases of that

[00:06:33] of like and I can't remember it off the top of my head because I did listen to it when it first

[00:06:38] came out but I wanted to make time to relisten to it today but I just didn't find the time to

[00:06:45] fit in but it has a lot of information about the industry in general and a lot of really,

[00:06:53] really, really bad behavior that was allowed to happen. This documentary, some of the parents

[00:07:01] we hear things where it's like okay well you should have made a different choice but in the

[00:07:05] podcast it talks about cases where it would be like oh this photographer takes really good

[00:07:10] headshots of children but you have to drop them off for sleep over in order to get the

[00:07:14] headshots and parents just like doing that kind of vibe so very, very grim, very, very troubling

[00:07:23] but if you want more info on just kind of the environment that allowed all of this to happen

[00:07:30] that's a great resource to listen to because it turns out you know as millennials all of the shows

[00:07:37] we loved were actually secretly evil. That part okay because of course if folks don't know by now

[00:07:43] we're going to be talking about quite on the set the dark side of kids TV and boy when I was watching

[00:07:52] this back I could not believe how much I remembered and how many of the all that skits specifically

[00:08:00] especially the coffee and sugar one that I was like oh yes I knew exactly where I was and for me

[00:08:07] I was in India watching all of this watching Nickelodeon so the fact that this was a global reach

[00:08:17] and it was still so unchecked and honestly so effed up I have so many feelings about Nickelodeon

[00:08:24] and I'm so frustrated to see this back here we are all my stuff's falling because of it

[00:08:31] and how did all of y'all feel just overall about this doc?

[00:08:36] well for me I thought I think the release is very interesting I.D has done a pretty good job of

[00:08:49] like knowing which properties they think will cause like conversation and releasing them in these

[00:08:56] like part one on Sunday part two on the thing being able to like an entire gray stuff

[00:09:03] they're really getting an arretham for that but for me for this docu- this docu-series

[00:09:10] I do like the pacing it is actually four episodes but the first two together for the first night

[00:09:17] and the third and the fourth one for the second night and there's a lot of there's a lot of like

[00:09:23] timeline things there's a lot of back and forth things from just talking from a purely production

[00:09:31] standpoint if you haven't listened to crime scene this is what we do we break down documentaries

[00:09:36] on how like they're produced and how they're overall made before we get into the context of it

[00:09:43] and the content of it so on a production level I thought this was a really good docu-series

[00:09:49] I think the talking heads were really great I still have some questions and I know we'll talk about

[00:09:55] because they left out a lot of stuff but overall I thought that it did what it needed to do because

[00:10:02] this has been the main subject like one of the main subjects on Twitter for the past two to three days

[00:10:07] so they kind of I think they accomplished what they wanted to accomplish this is now it's an

[00:10:12] open secret there it is out into the ether it's stuff that we may have known previously but now it's

[00:10:19] mainstream almost yeah 100% it's just yeah I can't believe it really very well made and I was taken

[00:10:29] by the hand and taken through it because this is not my childhood my childhood was not everybody had

[00:10:34] a television and it was all black and white so we were watching lost in space and we were watching

[00:10:39] bananza we were watching later on the monkeys that was in color very exciting and Disney world so it's

[00:10:48] sort of a far cry from what I can see of these shows culturally I'm aware of them but it's

[00:10:56] it doesn't ruin my childhood to watch a documentary like this but it's certainly in its broader

[00:11:03] context of the engagement of children adults around them not looking after them they're the

[00:11:11] petafiles who go to a target rich environment so of course they're going to be

[00:11:15] finding themselves a job somewhere where they can get to children and not enough oversight by the adults

[00:11:23] around them plus we're seeing the abuse of adults in the situation as well and I thought that was

[00:11:33] very well done to show that context not to take away from the obligation that adults had to

[00:11:40] protect the children around them but also to see how they could have been a brow beaten and had

[00:11:46] their softest team removed and had their agency removed in order to create an environment where this

[00:11:52] could happen so on that level I thought it was yeah very well done. Yeah I feel like the documentary

[00:11:59] really you know creates the web of building up what the work environment with specifically

[00:12:06] Dan Schneider and Nickelodeon was like and how that was for you know the women and the children

[00:12:14] as well as you know the differences for white children versus the black children on the shows

[00:12:19] as well and then it shifts into oh and also this environment created a safe haven where petafiles

[00:12:26] were able to kind of work unchecked and you can't and you see that even obviously we're going to talk

[00:12:32] a little bit more about the specifics but you get you know Drake Bell's father talking about how

[00:12:39] he knew something inappropriate was going on with Brian Peck and when he brought that up to people

[00:12:46] working in production they were like oh no you're being homophobic because he's just gay it's fine so

[00:12:52] that culture doesn't exist without the complete toxic work environment that Dan Schneider created

[00:12:57] and yeah it's really well put together where it just like one thing builds on the other where you

[00:13:04] just are slowly getting it gets worse and worse and worse and worse and then all of a sudden

[00:13:09] it's the temperatures turned up to a thousand oh my god yeah I think the third and the fourth episode

[00:13:17] we're a little bit more consistent maybe because of the build of the first and second one

[00:13:24] yeah I just thought the first and second one it felt like it jumped around too much for me almost

[00:13:28] like maybe now that I'm like really thinking about it I guess if we had the definitive split like

[00:13:35] maybe I should have watched it as this is episode one and this is episode two you know I know it's

[00:13:40] two parts but I consumed it straight because that's how they they did it but it kind of felt like

[00:13:46] the first episode we were like we were laying the groundwork but then it felt like we

[00:13:52] jumped to Brian handy the one of the PAs who who has actually assaulted one of the child

[00:13:59] actresses Brandy and then we we only skated on that then we went back to Dan

[00:14:05] then we came back to Brian and then we went to I mean to yeah and then it just felt like it was

[00:14:13] jumping in the first two and then so three and four felt more mainstream because we are basically

[00:14:20] I mean episode three is literally almost just straight it's just straight bells experience really

[00:14:26] so I guess that's why it was more streamlined so that was a little weird for me but I don't I didn't

[00:14:34] I think I just have a problem with the placement but not what will show if that makes sense like

[00:14:38] I kind of wish yeah I kind of wish they went through like that first like the golden era where

[00:14:44] he was first doing all that you know and then Amanda's show and stuff like that like I really wish

[00:14:50] they had gotten they had mailed it with with Dan Snyder then maybe start introducing the what

[00:14:58] was happening with the kids if that makes sense I don't know am I making sense I think that you

[00:15:06] make a really good point I think it makes total sense what I can kind of think is that I think

[00:15:12] that they were maybe trying to build up like hey this is Dan Snyder this is what it was like

[00:15:18] and here's a consequence of that and also here's way more stuff from Dan Snyder and here's how the

[00:15:23] consequences escalated I think that might have been the intention but I do agree that it felt kind

[00:15:28] of jumbled and it wasn't necessary to be in that order yeah so I think because I had less knowledge

[00:15:38] so I was being you know it brought into the world so I think because I yeah because it's not my

[00:15:45] childhood I wasn't so familiar so for me it did build the environment and then we could see

[00:15:53] what was happening to people in the environment but I can see what you mean by jumbled because

[00:15:57] we did speak to a lot of people some of whom didn't have kairon so I didn't know who they were

[00:16:02] yeah get it together but yeah certainly once we get to episodes three everything ramps up as you

[00:16:12] say it goes into a thousand and then it drives through almost a single narrative to the end

[00:16:19] yeah and so with that I think let's get let's get into it so of course this documentary right talks

[00:16:26] a lot about what happened at Nickelodeon during the early 90s and 2000s so it starts really with

[00:16:35] a little bit of a danch Snyder who if folks don't know is a Nickelode was sorry in Nickelodeon

[00:16:42] executive and really built this like he built Nickelodeon right like Nickelodeon's top shows were on

[00:16:50] his back that is not something we are here to argue it's just he sucks and it's crazy that someone

[00:16:59] that is so effed up just gets to you know have all of the success so it really starts like with his

[00:17:07] life which I found fascinating where he you know they're so like oh he's an awkward teen blah blah blah

[00:17:14] and then it talks about how he lied about even going to Harvard like he never went but he's telling

[00:17:20] people he went to Harvard and then somehow he lands a role on the TV show head of the class

[00:17:26] and that right goes into now how he gets on television and then from there of course we get all

[00:17:33] that which for if folks don't know is the kid version of SNL TVA so much better and I again this

[00:17:43] is the one that I definitely remember right like he and he'll it's just all of these folks that

[00:17:49] were on there that you're just like yep yep I know all these people and so from a Canadian perspective

[00:17:56] we didn't have like Disney Channel and we didn't have Nickelodeon we had family channel and we

[00:18:01] had YTV and so it's really interesting because my family watched a lot more family channel which

[00:18:07] had more Disney stuff but some Nickelodeon shows and so I watched so much Amanda show but all that

[00:18:14] I'm pretty sure was on YTV so I didn't watch that much all that just a little bit so it's all

[00:18:18] the Amanda show stuff is what I remember even though like I would have loved all that I don't know why

[00:18:25] we just want like a YTV family you know what it's too adult now that looking back at it you're

[00:18:31] just like yeah how where we want it I probably would have made me turn it off and also if you were

[00:18:37] if you were in the age range for the Amanda show by that time the golden age of all that was done

[00:18:45] yes yeah as somebody who was in the States with all of the channels so it's so funny because I

[00:18:51] make fun of my husband he didn't have Disney um I was spoiled um like all that all that premiered

[00:19:00] in 1994 and I remember watching it from the very first episode until I think he didn't kill that

[00:19:08] I think I stopped watching around the time that most of this documentary took place they um

[00:19:13] they specifically honed in on season seven and that's when I started watching I think um yeah

[00:19:19] actually but I remember the older episodes but those um I every like we almost together yeah

[00:19:25] I am also older than you too so that's not my not my not much but I was just enough to be old enough

[00:19:35] to remember the early show exactly yeah we would have seen them in repeats we wouldn't have seen

[00:19:42] and so for me like the Amanda show I did not watch the image yeah I was already like out of it

[00:19:49] I was kind of I've also like it was I was I was that's when I was going more towards Disney

[00:19:55] and um so but I knew of the Amanda show I knew of like uh Drinking Josh never watched him I

[00:20:00] Carly uh Zoe one on ones I did not watch those but all of this rumors and stuff that that this um

[00:20:10] documentary talked about I knew about all of it you know what I'm saying because this has kind of

[00:20:14] been like an oh secret year yeah yeah so we um really star and again like Marry said right there's

[00:20:24] a lot of stuff I think that we're gonna be jumping around just because that's how the doc was but

[00:20:29] maybe we can try to group stuff together so the first piece really is creating right kids TV

[00:20:36] and what that meant so we again we've talked about how because of Jenna McCurdy's book how crazy

[00:20:46] kid child actors and their lives can be so first it really starts with like how

[00:20:53] dance nighter was this really toxic box and the more is influenced grows the more toxic he gets

[00:21:01] and then specifically we get a conversation from two female writers in the first two episodes where

[00:21:08] and first of all I can't I can't imagine being in that position it's horrible y'all so these two

[00:21:17] women share their stories and how they're introduced to us is the Amanda show right dance nighters

[00:21:24] first show that he is creator he has made it etc etc and this is a like a female led show

[00:21:34] and there's only two female writers and guess what everyone they have to share a salary yeah

[00:21:41] it's like because you know Amanda Bynes was a girl yeah they said okay well we can have one woman

[00:21:48] on staff in the writing room just be you know did one one woman and they had you know the writer

[00:21:55] in mind and then we hear the story of how the the second woman writer had basically submitted her

[00:22:04] you know writing samples and totally gotten by a fluke that dance nighter was say would say

[00:22:10] that oh women are funny uh and really just didn't perceive women to have humor or anything like that

[00:22:18] and so it's totally kind of against what dance nighter wanted that he ends up with two women

[00:22:24] all this stuff but it's fine because they just one person salary between two people and the writers

[00:22:29] talk like oh well I was tempting before this so it was better than tempting so I took it I wanted to

[00:22:35] get into the industry um just you know once again showing with the levels of power imbalance

[00:22:42] existed on many different levels throughout this documentary um there was from adults to children

[00:22:49] from men to women it was all very bad yeah and it's just the way that they just keep talking about how

[00:22:58] he devalued them it's it's actually wild because they had to share a salary then somehow one of

[00:23:05] them reaches to the writer's guild and is like is this chill and of course it wasn't so now they

[00:23:14] have to chat with Dan shite her again because he's like who snitched I like Dan called them at home

[00:23:20] and was like yeah you conspiring against Nickelodeon she just wants to get the pay that she's legally

[00:23:27] entitled to sir yep and that was wild as hell to me I don't know about y'all because to me this is

[00:23:35] the age before you can blast people on Twitter right or be like I'm you know really struggling

[00:23:41] here so they had to make a concerted effort to not be quote unquote that girl as Dan said because

[00:23:48] he's like are you gonna be like basically a feminist right is what I think she's trying to imply

[00:23:56] and she's like no no I'm not one of those obviously under coercion is what she's saying this and

[00:24:02] and then they end up getting payment but then it's a lie because they're still not giving them enough

[00:24:07] money because they're getting paid for half the amount of weeks that they actually have to work

[00:24:12] while the white male writers are getting paid the whole time and getting paid way more than them

[00:24:19] and guess what aren't being subjected just sexually the sexual harassment yeah

[00:24:28] remember it's an experienced white male writer that's the part where they talk about how the one

[00:24:39] woman had to pitch a segment while presenting to be I was just like this is just like how was

[00:24:47] any of this legal like this is not legal you know 100% and this is what really gets me you hear a lot

[00:24:56] from dan Schneider in his statements that they show like we reached out to dan Schneider's camp

[00:25:00] for comment and he talks about oh everything gets investigated oh everything was like reviewed by so

[00:25:07] many levels of people blah blah basically all these reasons why he's like oh well it's not my fault

[00:25:12] or like if it was bad it's not only my fault blah blah blah and it's like no the fact that you

[00:25:19] as such a toxic person were able to achieve this level of power also speaks to a larger more

[00:25:26] structural issue in the environment like just because everyone said it's okay does not make it okay

[00:25:34] kind of vibes but he's very much still to this day like no everything had to get reviewed by people

[00:25:39] on two clothes so obviously nothing could have gone wrong like just try to let your all into it

[00:25:46] and all the Nickelodeon's asked me is to get taken to task I mean the thing about this extremely poor

[00:25:53] treatment of these women which was very familiar to me coming up through the 80s and 90s believe me

[00:26:00] and but that treatment particularly the sexual harassment is extremely hurtful toxic and so wrong

[00:26:11] it's hard to say how wrong it is for the women involved but also anybody else that's in that

[00:26:17] environment is also being affected by that some of them will enjoy the sort of side whiff of power

[00:26:25] that they get by watching Dan subject women and other you know and other people to abuse and some

[00:26:34] are affected by the abuse themselves and their own complicity by not speaking so it's an entire

[00:26:40] infrastructure built to humiliate and and negate people women children people of color

[00:26:49] it's the old song but it's it works and it worked and it has worked and it continues to work

[00:26:56] yeah and just again this documentary itself is talking about you know the dark side of children's

[00:27:01] programming that was created largely in the 90s and early 2000s but that doesn't mean that these

[00:27:07] types of work environments did not exist before this time and other child stars who maybe didn't do

[00:27:14] network TV but were in movies etc like they're not protected the way that they should be protected

[00:27:22] as has been discussed many times on messing it's endable continue to talk about that probably forever

[00:27:29] and it's still going to be an issue going forward which is why I'm like ban all kids programming

[00:27:35] like kids should not be working this is so crazy and and that's the thing too I think that you know

[00:27:42] they they brush on the me too side of it all because the me too movement was a big part of how

[00:27:48] Dan Schneider finally stopped working at Nickelodeon but I think a lot of people take it as oh well

[00:27:56] Harvey Weinstein went to jail so me too was successful and that's fine oh Dan Schneider got fires

[00:28:01] now it's fine those aren't the only two people in Hollywood that are using their positions of power

[00:28:08] to you know manipulate and coerce people into doing things they don't want to do or creating

[00:28:14] unsafe work environments that it's it's never just one or two people the saying is that you know

[00:28:20] few bad apples spoil the bunch people playing a lot second part they really love to say oh it's

[00:28:27] a few bad apples can we talk about the whole thing yeah get the bunch out and of course like

[00:28:33] this is a through thread that comes up a lot that in addition to you know how he treated the women

[00:28:40] on the show he's also keeps asking all different kinds of women right costume designers

[00:28:46] a writers it doesn't matter just as long as you're a woman I guess to massage him while things

[00:28:54] are going on the thing is if this disgusting human being just needs a massage that bad why

[00:29:02] isn't Nickelodeon just paying for him to get that like there are actually these people called

[00:29:08] registered massage therapists who will do a much better job of alleviating tension then

[00:29:14] random women at work that you are coercing into massaging you at work the key

[00:29:21] imagine your boss asked you for a massage point you know yes and I think it's like why isn't

[00:29:29] there no one up at Nickelodeon not one executive that's like this is messed up we should do

[00:29:35] something about it that's why I just like Nickelodeon didn't get enough lashing because they've been

[00:29:40] from the system so I show that's why I die themselves have been oh I know why but I'm just saying

[00:29:46] I don't know yeah it's like at the bare minimum Nickelodeon Disney whatever yep did not do their

[00:29:55] due diligence to protect their employees and specifically the children working there

[00:30:00] and at the worst they're 100% complicit in this bad behavior like there's no

[00:30:08] like even if they just didn't do their due diligence that is also being complicit so yeah

[00:30:13] not good yeah exactly and uh I that's why I do like the name of it like Quiet Onset like

[00:30:21] Dan Schneider literally terrorized the set he made those the the sets and they they talk about it

[00:30:28] he made those sets like just unbearable for for some people and it's it's very interesting

[00:30:35] watching this documentary because it's like he's very bad but then it's like but then we get

[00:30:41] introduced to even worse men so you know what I was saying it's like this is he is like without him

[00:30:48] then it couldn't have it couldn't have gone as far as it did and I just I'm so upset and I think also

[00:30:55] like I said there's a lot of stuff about him that I think was left out just because

[00:31:01] uh a lot of victims didn't come on record on record on record you know so and there's a lot

[00:31:07] of alleged abuse uh wow like there's stuff that we can't possibly confirm but a lot of people theorize

[00:31:16] in this of course uh super allegedly allegedly but people theorize that Dan Schneider was the

[00:31:23] father of Jamie Lynn's baby that she had when she was 16 right like there's just because it's

[00:31:30] not present in this documentary does not mean that Dan Schneider did not also engage in sexual

[00:31:37] abuse and child sexual abuse we just don't know because exactly it wasn't proper so like

[00:31:43] obviously that speculation we don't know but like those are popular theories in the mainstream

[00:31:51] it's like the number one thing I know about Dan Schneider is like foot fetish and possibly

[00:31:56] yeah Jamie Lynn Spears baby daddy like and no smoke without fire you know yeah not that it not

[00:32:04] that it's true that he is the father of Jamie Lynn's baby allegedly allegedly but that people

[00:32:11] do not put it past him to have done it means they have a particular opinion of him that allows them

[00:32:17] to think that so I think that's still telling whether it's true or not yeah and then they kind

[00:32:24] of elude to it they're like oh yeah Dan and Amanda would go off for hours of the time by themselves

[00:32:29] like nobody and that it's like you just told us Dan didn't think girls were funny so oh they

[00:32:35] were writing sketches well where they don't like we don't know what they were doing and we will

[00:32:40] we'll never know the full extent of what Amanda Bynes suffered while working at Nickelodeon and

[00:32:46] like once again anytime Amanda Bynes comes up on the podcast we just wish her health and safety

[00:32:52] and happiness like what an absolute star and obviously she went through absolute hell on her

[00:33:02] you know and her and Brittany's like conservatorship right like the way people have thankfully changed

[00:33:10] now but the way folks talk about these women like they didn't go through something and like like they

[00:33:16] didn't have these traumatic childhood that we literally saw unfolding in front of our eyes

[00:33:23] like are y'all serious and just the way misogyny is ingrained in all of us right where we're just

[00:33:29] oh shucks Amanda is like tweeting Drake again I remember this and meanwhile this poor girl

[00:33:35] is probably like going through so much and I actually went to her Instagram today just to see

[00:33:41] what she's up to and she's like trying to get her mannilaris license I was like yeah

[00:33:47] can we just like get her another job because her movies were so great like the romcoms

[00:33:53] are she's not a gun she's done with it but she doesn't do anything for me yeah she um the

[00:34:02] she talks a lot about how filming she's the man was really really damaging to her mentally

[00:34:07] and she had like a lot of dysmorphia after having to act as a boy for so much of the movie she started

[00:34:14] like not being able to see herself as a woman because she was like it really messed with her

[00:34:21] to film in that way and it is listen great movie we love yeah she's scared of adaptations into romcom

[00:34:29] yeah but um I think after that was kind of when she was like oh I don't really want to act anymore

[00:34:35] she doesn't do a lot past um she's the man for that reason yeah because she like said no to another

[00:34:42] movie then now Lindsey lowhand anyway it doesn't matter it's just it's just unfortunate because

[00:34:47] again her star is what is so on the rise but her parents a lot of stuff going on there too

[00:34:53] but anyway that's a documentary that'll come out that's one day that's another discussion

[00:35:00] yeah but speaking of everything going on with the kids right like this is another again through

[00:35:05] line where there was a lot of kid TV you can't we're watching yeah and looking back you're just like

[00:35:12] yeah that's disgusting why are you watching yeah well okay so they talk about the scene in Zoe 101

[00:35:20] where the new like splashes on New England spears face and when um Alexa Nikola is talking about it

[00:35:27] she's like we all gathered behind the camera while the person like used a syringe to shoot the

[00:35:33] goo in her face and then all the boys on set are saying oh it's a com shot oh it looks like

[00:35:38] com shot they're all laughing and that the girls didn't really know what that meant at that point

[00:35:44] in cuz these are little children because they're kids right yeah and of course like if there's

[00:35:48] like 12 year old boys they're gonna have a little bit more of a sense of what's going on in that

[00:35:52] situation and so that's why again like Dan Schneider today says on the Hollywood reporter oh well

[00:36:00] there's stuff that like you know at the time we thought it was fine but if it's actually not okay

[00:36:04] just cut it out like just cut out anything that's gonna hurt people and it's like

[00:36:07] got out the whole show then you did ask expect us to believe that you didn't see that it looked

[00:36:14] like a com shot you didn't see that it looks like Ariana Grande was trying to jerk off a potato

[00:36:20] you like stop it yeah literally pass the story into a glory hole yes like

[00:36:29] I mean there's so many there's so many like reference what about Penelope Taint calling a character

[00:36:34] after a taint or the one that got me was they they talked to Brian I think it was like Brian

[00:36:43] herns the only like the black dude from all that after like the season seven and he was nose boy

[00:36:50] and I was like I would try to figure out if I remember that sketch oh I didn't know I don't

[00:36:55] but it was supposed to be like oh he has a big nose but and they put noses on his shoulders but

[00:37:00] he walks in and those noses that are black like he is don't look like noses they look like penises

[00:37:06] on his shoulder yeah and then he immediately goes to quote unquote sneeze on a woman and she gets

[00:37:12] snot slash uh yeah like all of this different stuff but better make him stuff it's just

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[00:37:56] the one that got me the worst out of anything and the whole documentary was when they were doing

[00:38:01] it was all the challenge what was the show called or was the challenges like the

[00:38:04] your factory yeah type stuff but the only day are no no no no that's not double there um why I

[00:38:13] actually did watch some double deris again um but no the the one boy they covered him in peanut butter

[00:38:19] and had a dog licking peanut butter it's the Bryant yeah okay I thought that it was but then I

[00:38:25] was like oh I'm not 100% sure yeah what like what huh you what and I'm sorry we're licking below

[00:38:34] his door so the dogs were like it's peanut butter a dog is gonna like peanut butter where there's

[00:38:40] peanut butter right like and the only time you ever hear about dogs licking peanut butter is like

[00:38:44] in an American pie movie or like some dude making a gross joke like that I was so like when they

[00:38:53] show the footage of him just covered in peanut butter I just wanted to cry I wanted to wrap him

[00:38:57] in a blanket I was so horrified by that he said he was uncomfortable he said he's sitting there saying

[00:39:06] oh I don't like it yeah and here's the oh you know also the thing that P Diddy has been in

[00:39:14] and cold open uh for all that and we know what was going on then and now not only that P Diddy's

[00:39:22] whole thing was stick a helicopter down this kids pants to wake him up and what yeah and they like

[00:39:29] turned the helicopter so they're like oh we put they open his pants but the helicopter in and

[00:39:35] then there are like a toy helicopter of course and then um they're like oh diddy it didn't work

[00:39:40] of course and uh P Diddy like smirks at them and that gives them the controller and then they

[00:39:46] turned the helicopter on in his pants okay uh see because it's it's so much work I'm trying to

[00:39:57] it was him too uh no it was a white man I'm Brian it seems like his mom was the old

[00:40:04] parent who had actual like was taking oversight and like a dread and like because a lot of

[00:40:11] parents had concerns but she was the only one openly actually advocating for her child and trying

[00:40:16] to make sure that he was not in these weird situations resulting in him getting kicked off the show

[00:40:21] and when she talks about in that moment he became a man and that was a boy who didn't trust

[00:40:28] his mother anymore that broke my heart because it's like she was the only one looking out for her kid

[00:40:35] and it still resulted in all of these horrible issues between them yes and I and I want to I really

[00:40:42] wanted to stop down on him because I think this was the the area where we show where it kind of

[00:40:48] shows Dan's racism they hinted a lot at his racism and microabessions that that Brian had to go through

[00:40:56] and him as a kid he's like it doesn't matter I'm trying to focus on this goal I'm trying to be an actor

[00:41:02] I'm trying to get help my family but it's the mom who's like no we need to stop this and and all

[00:41:08] that and and he ends up getting fired after two seasons but they're looking back at it now like

[00:41:15] that might have been blessing in the skies because then we we move on to like the sexual assault

[00:41:20] allegations and like what if he was still there what if what would have happened if he was still there

[00:41:25] I it sucks that that the environment that they were in any parent that tried to advocate for their

[00:41:35] child oops that child's no longer there oops that parent is no longer there now like this was

[00:41:41] intentional of making an environment that was right for taking advantage of kids and the fact that

[00:41:51] that that mom did the right thing but it it broke something between her relationship with her

[00:41:56] her son is quite devastating I'm sure but also it's like I'd rather that than what happened to some

[00:42:05] of these other kids at this point you know on the sand yeah yeah the parents were groomed as well

[00:42:10] they were encouraged to go and sit in the green room you know they were look what happens if you

[00:42:16] make a fuss you know don't do that with your child so it's a whole I think Sasha you said it was

[00:42:21] like a whole network of grooming a whole environment everyone in the environment just being

[00:42:28] slowly led to accept certain things because they can't all have been terrible parents I mean

[00:42:34] they were they can't all have been terrible yeah yeah it's also just like your your child wants to be

[00:42:45] a star and they have this opportunity and then you're grappling as a parent with like is everything

[00:42:51] okay here but also this is the path for my child to have everything they've ever wanted in

[00:42:57] for a lot of cases our family to you know rise above like a financial situation that was not good

[00:43:04] like that kind of thing like it's they they create an environment where you can't ask questions

[00:43:10] and so that people don't ask questions and what's normal I'm not front you know I'm not from the

[00:43:15] industry I don't know what's normal no no that's normal that's normal oh okay that's normal yeah

[00:43:21] and then even we hear a lot from Katrina as well right who's one of the earlier

[00:43:27] all that and she almost seems to be the Amanda Bines before there was an Amanda Bines

[00:43:34] she talks about how there were talks to have the Katrina show and then what how like basically

[00:43:40] she had you know gained a bit of weight as children do as they grow yeah go to liberty

[00:43:46] guess what people to actually gain gain as they grow because they're growing and so first it was

[00:43:53] oh well she can't be the fat kid we already have a fat kid on the show imagine how that sits with

[00:43:59] you the rest of your life and then well you know once puberty finished as with a lot of people do

[00:44:06] then oh she suddenly looked like a woman and she looked too old and they had to shuffle her off

[00:44:10] of the show um and she got to leave and go to college and have like a normal life and I'm

[00:44:17] I got this since she's very grateful for that because a lot of people didn't have it like

[00:44:22] she dodged such a bullet just right when she hit puberty

[00:44:28] yeah like everything that happened to Amanda Bines could have happened to her for all we know

[00:44:33] it's so painful um and then of course now um speaking of parents being a hot mess let's talk about

[00:44:41] Brandy um because uh this is the story now where we get into the sex offenders right and um first

[00:44:50] they started and this is why I think it was a good documentary because it builds on itself so much so

[00:44:55] now that we've talked a little bit about hey Dan now here's the you know innuendos and all the

[00:45:00] horrible shit now let's actually talk about the real uh discussing mess so we have Jason handy who

[00:45:08] was a PA at the time and um he was uh you know and really just gets to know everyone and then we

[00:45:17] met um MJ I believe is the whatever yeah you made a mom that's right MJ right and um whose

[00:45:24] a daughter is named Brandy now here's the thing and they they tell us MJ story and

[00:45:32] MJ be so for real because this mom is like oh my mom was an actress and she made sure

[00:45:40] I was never in the industry and then all of a sudden Brandy wanted to be in the industries

[00:45:45] I was so happy so it's giving trying to live through my dog yeah and they talk about John handy

[00:45:54] as like oh he was so young and charming oh god sorry if you would like John what the hell I thought

[00:45:59] was John uh whatever um yeah anyway it's fine keep going it's i don't know um yet but so anyways

[00:46:09] he was so charming and young and he would get all the mothers and he'd get all the children on

[00:46:14] board and everybody just loved him and uh MJ's daughter Brandy was selected to be in uh it was

[00:46:23] the courtroom sketch yeah did the Amanda show and so it was just kind of like as an extra for that day

[00:46:30] and at the end of the day Brandy's like oh yeah like Jason John sorry uh he's here

[00:46:37] Jason well the rap.com said it's John screw the move

[00:46:43] call them out we just told him handy right what a name for a pitiful I don't want to

[00:46:49] I'm too disgusting um and so she's like oh yeah uh he gave me his email and we're gonna keep in touch

[00:46:57] and i'm just like oh this is so great a friend in the industry this will help my daughters

[00:47:01] I like what what's a PA gonna do for you stop it like are you kidding me and so you know

[00:47:09] she talked about seeing Brandy email with him more and more and then one day Brandy just like

[00:47:16] turned off the computer and ran to her room and this is where we find out that she received

[00:47:22] a photo or video of uh Jason masturbating naked and something something deeply one somewhere

[00:47:33] between a nude photo and a masturbating video absolutely not appropriate to send I mean to anyone

[00:47:41] really but especially a child yeah she was 11 was she not 11 yes yeah very young and so

[00:47:51] and their mom said we told nobody I was like girl huh and this is what I never understood

[00:47:58] at no point did MJ give any sort of justification that made sense for not telling anybody about

[00:48:03] this I was so confused call the police please get straight straight straight onto the police

[00:48:08] yeah there's there's not a lot of situations where i'm like oh the police should get involved

[00:48:12] I'm sorry thank you thank you thank you thank you very very few situations are definitely called

[00:48:24] the but this is yes you instantly what you think someone's doing that with just your daughter

[00:48:31] and nobody else and also even if it's just your daughter and nobody else it's your daughter

[00:48:38] appropriate like are you kidding me and so then the story kind of goes away where uh eventually MJ

[00:48:46] gets a call from the police and they're like hey we searched Jason handy's home and he has a lot of

[00:48:54] stuff he has baggies with girls names on them and there's one with your daughter's name on it

[00:49:01] so we like to talk to you nightmare absolute nightmare and a lot of the girls that he had abused

[00:49:15] their parents did not want them to be involved in the investigation so ultimately only two

[00:49:23] I think only two girls were actually like charges against the two girls were used in the lawsuit

[00:49:30] against handy and one of them was brandy um she he had letters that she had written him

[00:49:37] but there was also like a child's underwear and many other very disturbing things and it's like

[00:49:43] this guy was working on set at the Amanda show just working there

[00:49:50] it's it's scary it it truly is scary because he's brought down at least from our vantage point

[00:49:58] watching this documentary we're talking to MJ he's brought down because somebody else's mom made

[00:50:04] the decision to turn him in and in that decision which hopefully saved some other girls from going

[00:50:12] through this they've uncovered the horrendous relics of of a pedophile and MJ is getting this call

[00:50:21] and i'm like it's like you don't like why as a parent myself i just do not understand

[00:50:30] how we are not protecting our our kids more again but this is a you know it's not about the parents

[00:50:36] I'm trying to like you know not go too much on them it's about the environment that was curated

[00:50:43] environment that was here which is this is what we know about how how this is what we know about

[00:50:50] high pressure work situations they they curate these environments where nobody wants to speak up

[00:50:56] and MJ did not want to speak up at that time um you know we did not get anything from Brandy

[00:51:01] and i think that's very telling i hope she's somewhere safe and

[00:51:05] yes and we wish peace for her yeah the very faith that that MJ thought that a that a

[00:51:10] that a PA was going to help her daughters career i mean a lot of these parents don't have a background

[00:51:16] in the industry so they're going in without that knowledge however as soon as you look at

[00:51:22] a man sending your 11-year-old daughter a masturbation picture it doesn't matter what you know about

[00:51:28] the uh it's an entertainment industry i mean you know what i think i think i think that's why it feels

[00:51:34] so easy to you know don't go on MJ compared to some of the other parents in the documentary because

[00:51:40] the other children and the other actors it's like okay well like their parents didn't speak up

[00:51:47] because it was to do with the industry and they were told this is normal and they were

[00:51:52] you know trying to avoid hurting their children's careers and that kind of thing all that stuff

[00:51:56] where it's still like still not okay but you can kind of understand the environment that they were in

[00:52:01] and how they got to a place of oh maybe i won't say anything or or maybe i won't do more

[00:52:05] and maybe they just know maybe then they didn't know whereas with MJ it's like well first of all your

[00:52:11] daughter was not a successful child actor she was an extra one time so she was not part of the

[00:52:16] industry so there was not this pressure to you know stay silent and you saw and you knew

[00:52:22] and you chose to do nothing and then we see that he had like 10,000 child abuse images on his

[00:52:29] computer and you're like yes how many of those could have been prevented like and so i think that's

[00:52:34] why it feels so easy to dunk on MJ obviously like there's more to the story there as well and

[00:52:40] everybody brings their past into the circumstances really end up in and obviously she should have

[00:52:45] called the police the second she saw everything because it's like she even had a close enough

[00:52:48] relationship with Brandy that Brandy showed her right and didn't hide it from her and so you're just

[00:52:54] like oh you had it right there you had all at your fingertips to do the right thing and you

[00:52:58] just weren't able to do it for whatever reason that is never explained to us yeah unfortunate

[00:53:06] very unfortunately and this documentary i think is interesting because like we with everything

[00:53:11] you just said question as does she presumably and she puts herself into a situation where

[00:53:19] you know scrutiny can be put upon her actions and i think there's something to be said

[00:53:25] about her actions now that is laudables not quite the right word but she is contributing that part

[00:53:32] of the story um but scrutiny also it is for like she thought she did anything wrong though

[00:53:41] like if we like if we're comparing her to um drake to uh to yeah drake bells that like

[00:53:51] yeah or or Brian Brian herns his mom oh yeah two people who did everything they could to keep

[00:53:59] her children away from these people and who still felt like they didn't do enough

[00:54:04] yeah and tried to do nothing in heartbreaking heartbroken about it in jay was just like

[00:54:10] yeah like it could you believe a man emailing my child would like send her uh send an 11 year old

[00:54:19] all of this stuff yes babe actually we yeah i hate i i i don't know if i should say this or not but like

[00:54:27] i don't i didn't feel like a remorse like i could do better from her i i thought like yes

[00:54:34] i think you know but i i also feel like she she talks about how like

[00:54:40] even no matter how much time passes like the battleways stays and so i think that she also might

[00:54:45] just be like she's come to terms that she did the wrong thing and like she's maybe not going to

[00:54:51] beat herself up for the rest of her life when presumably hopefully Brandy's doing okay and

[00:54:57] i also think it's easier to distance yourself from something where i go well this was over

[00:55:00] the internet and like no one got actually touched so it's less uh but it's obviously like

[00:55:07] there's no scale of less right but i can see how maybe she's moved to that part in her way

[00:55:14] had a bag you need a baggie was something in it yeah it was he had letters from Brandy but i'm like

[00:55:21] that's just for brand out or something did they i missed that part no wait what i don't

[00:55:29] i thought that okay well no it could you know what a very well could be but the very well could be

[00:55:35] like this was a lot to to take in yeah there were certain points of the doc when i felt like i was

[00:55:40] gonna throw up and i just kind of set it up a little bit so i wouldn't have to experience it

[00:55:44] in one act so that very well could be that's disgusting so yeah and there's a lot of cognitive

[00:55:48] dissonance i think our body have also done trying to listen to all of this and very nice so then

[00:55:55] i think next we need to get into the big one right where Brian Peck is now showed up on the scene

[00:56:02] and sorry just one more thing like when they get into the Brian Peck because they show like the

[00:56:07] image of like Brian Peck and then they show um you know Jason handy and then they show a third

[00:56:13] person they're like yeah all of these registered sex offenders works for Nickelodeon during this time

[00:56:18] it's like who's the third guy you just never told us about the third guy so like

[00:56:23] obviously a lot more happened than what would they get into in this four point documentary

[00:56:28] they just wanted to point that i read it out Chanel as ill Chanel some name like that

[00:56:34] another bastard told my list so yeah the fact that you can just reference them

[00:56:40] you know and move on yeah how many pedophiles were on that show that we don't know the names of

[00:56:49] agreed so yeah and then we get into Brian Peck and here again i remember him

[00:56:57] that's what's crazy like i remember pickle boy yeah so we he's introduced us like oh

[00:57:03] he was pickle boy he was just kind of around first he was behind the scenes and you know somehow

[00:57:09] he became on the front and like blah blah blah we're all a big happy family and all of a sudden

[00:57:16] um one day you know the casting crew are attending a barbecue at his house and Kyle Sullivan

[00:57:24] who was again another person i remember i was like that's it grown up like this is weird

[00:57:30] and he finds a um room i guess dedicated to vintage toys right in comic book and the second you

[00:57:38] hear of that alarm bells go because that's almost a troll at this point where we're gonna be like oh

[00:57:45] like the pedophile has like an arcade in their basement like the

[00:57:51] and everything to lure so of course and then there's and um a garage right that's converted into a

[00:57:58] planet of the apes like shine anyway all of a sudden there's a painting in the room right that sticks

[00:58:03] out and Kyle is like oh it's a birthday gun holding balloons well guess what everyone this is how

[00:58:11] the girl the gumption the like no shame this man Brian peck had but also no relation to Josh

[00:58:18] peck just engaged and yeah good to be clear in like the like so Josh peck was in on it with the

[00:58:26] joking no just this last name but this hey this took me out because this is what Brian seen

[00:58:33] as hearing i'm just kidding yeah one part i didn't know but i knew a lot of stuff yeah i didn't

[00:58:38] know about about Brian peck i did not know that he had an original john wane gacy prison painting

[00:58:45] in his home and had been a pen pal with john wane gacy for a year huh as soon as i said painting

[00:58:52] of a birthday clown i just went i knew i knew instantly yeah i like oh i mean it couldn't be you know

[00:59:02] i just can't be and you move on can you imagine as an adult i mean obviously you know

[00:59:07] mario you're the only parent on the panel but imagine you take your child to a birthday party

[00:59:12] and they're like oh hey there's this painting and then that's like the person hosting the party is

[00:59:18] like oh yeah this is my original john wane gacy tell me you're not packing your child into the car

[00:59:24] and driving the ways fast as i said i have like a icon i'm like we're we're going

[00:59:29] it's we're pin pals what are y'all writing about huh you know like no it's not

[00:59:36] just about i'm just like oh my god it works it works yeah just for anyone who doesn't know

[00:59:44] john wane gacy one of the most prolific serial killers in american history killed a lot of young boys

[00:59:53] and targeted the queer community young young boys young young young men young men yes yeah so then

[01:00:04] right so already alarm bells are belling and then we're we meet what it says oh and he was arrested

[01:00:11] for all these horrible things because i'm not going to go there why he was arrested just absolutely

[01:00:17] disgusting the most disgusting things you could possibly imagine and them probably worse than that

[01:00:22] yes a folks there let and it happened to a child star and then you get the like confessionals of

[01:00:28] like wake wasn't a kid kid right well another person goes well not on Nickelodeon right but

[01:00:36] blah blah and blah and everyone's in denial and then the episode starts yeah and it's it's because

[01:00:42] um generally speaking in court cases involving minors the murder's identity will be protected under

[01:00:48] in canada it's called a publication ban i'm not sure if that's the same uh in the states or

[01:00:53] australia but uh to you know protect child victims of crime off in their identity is hidden so people

[01:00:59] did not know i mean some people i feel like i had known that it was drake bell before this documentary

[01:01:06] but like it seems not everybody yeah i also thought i knew that it was drake bell but i didn't know

[01:01:12] i have no idea yeah so i i maybe i didn't know and i'm just now giving myself

[01:01:17] maybe you went from the um no it's probably because when the trailers drop people were like oh it's

[01:01:24] straight bell oh i must be at yeah and so drake bell comes out he's never told a story before

[01:01:32] yeah and uh the most compelling piece about drake story i must say is his dad because finally

[01:01:40] being feeling frustrated all these parents and then you meet a dad that did everything and guess what

[01:01:47] these predators are gonna do what they do best so we learned about drake bell's career right like he

[01:01:53] was everywhere he even did um a movie with tom cruise right like he was on jerry my choir everything

[01:02:00] and then he gets on the Amanda show um and things started to change right where we move

[01:02:06] Nickelodeon now moves from paramount uh just Nickelodeon on sunset and that's when he meets Brian

[01:02:13] pack and this is where the grooming starts where they start talking a lot about old hollywood um which

[01:02:19] is what drake says like i was into and looking back he's like well maybe he was only into it because

[01:02:25] i was into it either way they became close um and dad very much says something was up with Brian

[01:02:35] i didn't like him he would walk over him he was touching him too much and they were just constantly

[01:02:41] getting too close uh and he says well i was always within i distance because eventually drake uh

[01:02:49] starts going to voice lessons at his house and dad is like but it's okay i'm always there i'm

[01:02:56] there so well it'll be okay until of course it wasn't yeah and like even he tells a producer the

[01:03:03] producer says oh no no um Brian pack is he's gay and he's just a touchy-feely guy like you're being

[01:03:08] homophobic by thinking something weird is going on which like no gay straight whatever it's like weird

[01:03:15] to be like touching a child like even just like cash like even casually just like like brushing

[01:03:22] a shoulder or whatever like those types of like it's just not normal like you're like now a day

[01:03:26] even though like teachers don't do that that shit right like we now understand boundaries of what's

[01:03:32] appropriate and what's not appropriate and all you know that has shifted in part because of cases

[01:03:36] like this but like come on and it makes me so sad because you could tell his dad cares so much

[01:03:44] and still when Brian like gets in into drake's ear that his dad shouldn't be his manager

[01:03:50] like enough hold is taken that drake feels like yeah no i don't my i don't want my dad to be

[01:03:55] manager anymore yeah i felt like that part was i felt bad but i was like i couldn't understand how like

[01:04:01] he it was like he was so close to his dad and it just took like again it just takes that pressure

[01:04:08] that that pressure of wanting to make it of wanting to be a star of this is what i have to do

[01:04:14] like he's probably like you saw Amanda did it all of these kids look at them they're all getting

[01:04:19] emancipated why don't you do it you can take care of yourself shortly and it's just like

[01:04:25] it's just so messed up it's truly messed up and i think you know that it's a used-tole money right

[01:04:31] like i think it was saying like oh he's saying money from you yeah no it was proven that he didn't

[01:04:37] um because uh Brian gets an attorney to look into drake's finances and at that point even then

[01:04:46] that attorney doesn't find anything but i think it's the way folks can talk a child like this is a

[01:04:52] little child and then because drake's parents were divorced he was able to kind of pit the

[01:04:58] parents against each other as well where it's like even though you know his dad never did anything

[01:05:03] wrong once you get like they really just needed it's like oh i asked my dad he said no let me ask

[01:05:09] my mom kind of vibes right um and this goes uh what we won't talk into it much on this podcast at

[01:05:16] all i listened to the pod meets world episode where they talk about uh brine peck which they created

[01:05:21] not related to this documentary it was because they talk about um the guest stars on every episode

[01:05:28] and they were coming up to season five when brine peck was a guest star on boy meets world and they

[01:05:32] talk about how charming he was and how good he was at storytelling and just how easy it was to get

[01:05:40] along with him interestingly enough for the boys he didn't really make an effort with the the girls i

[01:05:45] care remember the name of the actress who plays uh to panga and the young man get

[01:05:49] right yeah Danielle Fisher talks about how like oh yeah i went to lunch with him a couple times

[01:05:53] it was because someone else was going and asked me along like he was friends with all the young

[01:05:58] boys and was very easy for him to do it so wake up it it just shows like that pattern a little bit more

[01:06:06] yeah and it's it's just all of this is compounding because now it just keeps going and going

[01:06:12] right where eventually uh brine is like going to drakebell shows like far away and um he's like

[01:06:21] being invited to disney all the time and all of a sudden uh drake spends the night uh his mom's

[01:06:29] house and decides it's time uh i don't want my dad to be manager anymore mom calls dad

[01:06:34] and dad says you know what it hurts but i want to do what's best for my child

[01:06:39] and then goes make sure you keep an eye on this guy brine because uh the intuition is

[01:06:46] intuitioning if you need to not be around our child and i'm sorry but like

[01:06:52] say that i did mom mom should be like get sad her

[01:06:58] well in the way they and accomplice like i'm sorry i don't i can't she pimped out her child

[01:07:04] and i don't know how else to say it yeah the way they portrayed it at the start when they

[01:07:08] talked about like drake's rise was like oh the mom never really wanted to be involved but like the

[01:07:13] dad took him to every audition i really was a good cheerleader for him you know following his

[01:07:18] dreams and so then it's like when his dad is no longer his manager well mom still doesn't really

[01:07:23] care about drake's dreams i guess and so now brine peck is driving him to auditions and oh it's

[01:07:28] so much easier if you just stay at my house and i'll drive you home in the morning like

[01:07:31] and she allowed it yes why i love it all i mean at all let alone and this is a 40-year

[01:07:41] husband had said that man in particular like any man in general well not any man but you know

[01:07:48] like look after your kids uh and drive from drive the hour from one from your home to where

[01:07:54] the kid needs to be and then drive them home it's part of the contract right

[01:08:00] any any situation like this at all just doesn't feel quite right little on the man that your ex-husband

[01:08:06] has named as being sus and not a part of it oh man it's like why are you letting your kid be

[01:08:16] friends with a 40-year-old like uh huh that's not normal exactly and again then the abuse starts

[01:08:23] and of course um he rightfully so was afraid to tell anyone about it because of his career ending

[01:08:30] so he's you know soo going through auditions dialogue um he ends up at his house a lot and then

[01:08:36] brine peck tries to get cast as the dad on drake and josh and that's when i was like was he

[01:08:43] to dad you know like that's how i learned my memory was like oh my god that would be crazy

[01:08:48] and this is when it almost like cracks where uh drake bell is at his girlfriends house as his

[01:08:54] then girlfriend's house um shout out to his ex-girlfriends mom yeah yeah drake has within six

[01:09:03] seconds it all she knows some things up because brine peck won't stop calling his cell phone

[01:09:09] and he's like let's go to Disneyland let's go to Disneyland and of course a drake is like

[01:09:14] isn't oh i double book shucks shucks but you know it's obvious that he's just using their house as an escape um

[01:09:20] yeah and then his mom finally calls him in and is like what's or mom sorry

[01:09:26] and he's like what's going on like this is not normal why is a 40-year-old coming for you

[01:09:32] like this much um and he still denied it um and then eventually get he gets on the phone with his mom

[01:09:39] and he just screamed it like i guess his trauma just overflowed and it completely gets out

[01:09:46] and his mom thankfully immediately calls the car within two hours he's talking to the police

[01:09:53] it goes through the entire corporate meetings um brine peck was charged with a number of different

[01:09:59] things and he ultimately pled no contest to two charges of sexual abuse um yeah obviously not all

[01:10:08] that he did um and he was ultimately sentenced to 16 months in jail and order to register as a

[01:10:14] sex offender and drake talks about at the sentencing walking into the courtroom and there being like

[01:10:22] 50 celebrities on brine peck side of the courtroom and like his mom and brother being the only

[01:10:29] people on his side and just that was like what an visual to imagine like that's so horrifying um but

[01:10:37] you got you know you get the contacts from the pod meets world and it's brine peck's whole thing

[01:10:42] was having friends and being well connected in hollywood and lying to all of those friends about

[01:10:50] what he was actually pleading guilty to so that they would write him letters of support and believe

[01:10:55] that he was actually the victim in this situation for you know just like not just grooming his

[01:11:00] you know victims but also grooming his circle to go along with it yeah yes and and for uh crime

[01:11:08] scene listeners uh this episode which is primarily episode three going into episode four

[01:11:16] this is probably your most complete like um ID discovery style crime episode it starts with with

[01:11:26] drake the victim and all that opening up about what's happened it goes through the legal

[01:11:31] court proceedings like kerson said and it finishes with um what happens to the perpetrator um so going

[01:11:38] forward i i checked on ID discovery they will be like showing um these separately like in the one in

[01:11:45] their one hour increments um so if um and I think I think episode three drakes episode is actually set

[01:11:54] to read air on friday so I think i think um it's very powerful of course I think it's the one

[01:12:02] that's going to get the most attention because drake bell is one of the most dangerous child actors

[01:12:09] who come out of nicolodian it's based on a case that's already happened you know the sensationalism

[01:12:17] of it all unfortunately um but i i think it's it's it's not the most i don't want to say it's most

[01:12:26] powerful because i don't want to act like the other victim stories didn't matter but i think it's

[01:12:30] the one that's definitely going to get the most attention mostly because it's a sense of closure

[01:12:35] in a sense because he actually was tried and convicted for that crime even though you know

[01:12:42] 16 months that's right that is yeah i don't like it but it feels like it's the most complete story

[01:12:50] yeah it's also drakes that's down and he tells his story with uh Brian peck from beginning to end

[01:12:56] whereas the other stories are all interspersed with the other information about the network and

[01:13:00] dan Schneider so it just feels like one more complete episode of something yeah 100 percent

[01:13:06] and then the biggest piece and this is why i think folks are really also pissed off online because

[01:13:12] there are so many 41 people wrote letters to the judge uh in his defense of course

[01:13:18] and the biggest names really are james uh how do you say marston marston yeah uh and then

[01:13:25] Alan thick you know whose son wrote the song plurred lines um checks out uh

[01:13:33] taren killiam a ron melendez and then right we talk about the rest so it's just all these folks

[01:13:42] are like you know saying they're being duped and i agree i'm not like trying to disagree with

[01:13:48] any of that to me it's just they were adults as well and i don't know how no one was like

[01:13:53] even if um you know this what you were jail baited or whatever you want to call it uh whatever

[01:13:59] Brian wants to call it rather um it don't matter stop like we we you shouldn't be doing this

[01:14:06] you shouldn't be touching the children it's yeah just absolutely not and then in the podmeets world

[01:14:12] they made an interesting point which was basically like there was a lot of these older men

[01:14:17] in the industry yeah kind of portrayed themselves and talked about themselves is like oh well like

[01:14:23] i'm kind of like a perpetual teenager like yeah i'm 40 but like mentally i'm a teenager still

[01:14:29] and how weird to the child actors who feel more adult than their age because they're working whole

[01:14:36] careers they're kind of like oh we're meeting each other in the middle and then now that they're

[01:14:41] grown and they're in their 40s they're like what the hell was that like that's not normal i

[01:14:47] would never you know talk to someone like that i would never say that and so i think that it was

[01:14:54] you know just an industry industry wide problem yeah yeah yeah people were just being like oh yeah

[01:14:59] it's totally normal for adults and children to be friends yeah 100% and there is this um

[01:15:07] Indian youtuber i was listening to the other day and he as an adult even shared that in India how

[01:15:14] my name is doing modeling it wasn't necessarily the designers themselves but it's like these

[01:15:20] middlemen that the designers somehow use like again they weren't agents it just sounded so shady

[01:15:26] and they would require like casting couches from male models uh to get you through the system

[01:15:35] onto like the walk and he talks about how he had to give up and he became a youtuber but he says you

[01:15:41] then i see folks that were walking in the show and i was it and i'm like why do i know what these

[01:15:46] people did to get on the show but this is crazy so i completely understand how just horrible this

[01:15:53] whole system is and it's again it's a worldwide issue and the more folks speak about it the better

[01:16:00] it can be it but you know it's so detrimental to your jobs um and this is where like

[01:16:07] it just keeps going because then we get the aftermath of course where Nickelodeon you know only

[01:16:13] apparently grew after the sentencing and so it's neither and it just kept going and like we said

[01:16:22] more things just kept discussing things kept happening and finally one day then Schneider was out

[01:16:28] just gone bye like that way like it was because of a me too movement but like the way they presented

[01:16:35] in the documentary i don't know about y'all it just felt like it was just fun it felt to me like

[01:16:43] dan Schneider ultimately lost his job not for necessarily creating a toxic work in but for how he

[01:16:51] treated the adult women and not about the environment that he created was the vibe that i got where

[01:16:56] like the writers were like well me too happened and it was like i can finally talk about this

[01:17:02] there was a lot more like he did horrible things to those women and obviously and he should have

[01:17:06] lost his job for those alone sure but like just no consequences for all of the other like evil

[01:17:13] he allowed and the environment that he created and like dan Schneider just gets to sit on his ass

[01:17:20] and collect residuals from all the shows he created for the for the rest of his life he doesn't have

[01:17:25] to work again he doesn't even have to go get like a normal job to make a living like he can just do

[01:17:31] nothing the rest of his life it's it's really really disappointing and he put out a video yeah sorry

[01:17:39] go ahead there oh yeah i was gonna say this is where you want that law that you can't profit from

[01:17:43] your crimes so murderers if they write a book they can't they can't make a profit you're gonna say

[01:17:49] okay dan you're an accessory to these other crimes and therefore when you were making these shows

[01:17:57] you were criminal and therefore you can't have residuals it's too complex that it won't happen

[01:18:02] but in my opinion you never used prosecution right so then you just walk them out the door like

[01:18:09] why prosecute them when you can just walk them out the door or send them to another parish

[01:18:14] or send them to another scout group whatever it is that you do with bad men when you don't want to

[01:18:19] face uh charging them yeah 100% um so in social sorry were you bringing up the Hollywood reporter

[01:18:28] interview but yes yeah where dan Schneider of course has put out now an interview and he is

[01:18:33] interviewed by someone that was on i Carly if folks watch i Carly he was the uh person the the

[01:18:40] cafe worker whatever t-bow um that just like gave weird food concoctions anyway why is someone

[01:18:48] that he employed interviewing him well and then this is the weird part because it's obviously

[01:18:54] this is one of his employees who doesn't perceive themselves to have bad experience so even when

[01:19:01] he's talking about you know the racism that other actors experienced on all that he's like why can

[01:19:06] only talk to my experience and like really frames it as giving down the you know opportunity to

[01:19:13] quote set the record straight and dan Schneider says uh nothing he says absolutely nothing with his

[01:19:20] time on camera he's like oh well if anything hurt people it should be cut oh um everything was

[01:19:26] approved by so many people so like yep that's ridiculous oh we never meant for anything to be in

[01:19:32] new window but if that's an appropriate now just cut it out like i would i would never ask women

[01:19:38] to give me massages at work now i wish i could have like i apologize to anyone who i ever asked

[01:19:44] i'm like so you don't even have a list of names of all the people you asked to give you look like

[01:19:48] you will you ever show many people that you can't even say oh i apologize to these people that i

[01:19:54] heard like he it's just a total empty up to me my opinion it was i all empty apology it really didn't

[01:20:01] feel like he actually was remorseful when again why should he why would he feel remorse he's sitting

[01:20:08] on a stack of money collecting more of my jay and residuals and like his life is fine and all

[01:20:14] of the people that he heard are not fine yeah and again the if you want the dan Schneider specific stuff

[01:20:22] like listen to the genetic McCurdy um podcast because that's where we go that we went into it yeah

[01:20:28] but it's just i don't know about y'all i just feel like the fact that he is so evil and then this

[01:20:34] video is just he he's just taken a pair you know like that's how i feel it's just like you're just

[01:20:39] taking a boxage i don't like it yeah well i don't understand like why why did we give a platform

[01:20:46] to him to do this like why did we give him a platform and softball questions

[01:20:52] and like the man he is lucky he escaped jail time at this point yeah

[01:20:58] and at this rate he will never see jail unfortunately so why why are we why are we doing this

[01:21:05] why are we giving him a platform i i don't like it yeah and like uh quiet on set asked dan Schneider

[01:21:13] for comment on every single thing and all that he ever got was oh we like everything was

[01:21:18] that it by people that never happened like and nature of the odians was such a no answer to

[01:21:24] same thing exactly and i'm sure that there are so many NDAs that are preventing people from

[01:21:29] speaking the truth but i agree like why are we giving it like he had the opportunity to speak his

[01:21:34] piece in this documentary and he refused that opportunity so i i don't know why we would give him an

[01:21:39] additional chance um a few other things that we haven't talked about yet you know an editor for

[01:21:47] nickel odian was literally caught on to catch a predator so um again lots of

[01:21:55] petafiles in the the network yeah why did these shows get canceled you know like

[01:22:02] wait Chris Hanson whoa well Chris Hanson got canceled because a man

[01:22:07] and yeah a uh attorney general actually ended his life when he got caught on camera

[01:22:16] yeah so that's why that show got canceled should have more of that show yeah just clean him out

[01:22:24] yeah

[01:22:28] i love that you know we also you know of no you know nickel odian logo was literally a foot so that

[01:22:37] kind of feeds into and try to start your what fetish thing a lot of i think a lot more people

[01:22:45] are foot fetishes than and then i know about in my whole country which is fine which is fine if

[01:22:52] you partake responsible responsibly don't feed yes you don't force kids to participate in foot fetish

[01:23:00] content without them knowing because they definitely i at least i didn't unless i missed it they didn't

[01:23:05] talk about the um the contest where dan snyter would have kids from around the world uh send in

[01:23:13] foot pictures to them they did not and even when he was getting off of set he still had to

[01:23:22] approve all their little bikini outfits and every single outfit had to be approved by dan hey

[01:23:28] sasha he was never kicked off set he just chose to go to the writers room yes at least i

[01:23:34] experienced perspective yes but massage is better at the writers room you're right

[01:23:38] oh ridiculous um speaking of other Nickelodeon let's get into this because again as someone that

[01:23:46] i think it was a little too old to be watching a Ned's to classify but i was like whatever it's

[01:23:51] listen i watched it anyway so yeah same and now you know what i'm sad i gave them my one view

[01:23:57] so basically neds declassified um they do what they also have a podcast together and funnily if

[01:24:05] i have watched some videos of them because uh i don't remember their names though but Ned and the girl

[01:24:13] on the show not me forgetting what i think it's fine it's i don't want even want to dignify them

[01:24:18] yeah i don't want to go like because i'm gonna get pissed but no we don't talk i talked about this

[01:24:23] i think i actually talked about i'm ready to be petty not messing with you and they do their

[01:24:27] podcast and they are talking about how freaky they were on set it was all the teenagers were discovering

[01:24:32] their sexuality together on set which like they were all teenagers so i'm like whatever if they're

[01:24:37] going to do that they're going to do that they are the like one Nickelodeon show from that time

[01:24:44] that dan Schneider was not a part of the only one and they got on live last night

[01:24:52] basically laughing about the documentary and about everything just being total just assholes

[01:24:59] like they should be counting their lucky stars they never worked with dan Schneider

[01:25:03] and just sit and eat their food they should not be contributing to this at all

[01:25:08] yeah and it's so weird because they're like mocking a drake and then on top of that they're just like

[01:25:17] he even a devon who played Ned um even set and Lindsey shot thank you that's her name on my brain

[01:25:23] so anyway but she gets in and she's like kind of trying to like make it normal to be like we shouldn't

[01:25:28] joke about it we shouldn't talk about it but then the both are still going back and forth back and forth

[01:25:34] and um and then he even says like as a new joke almost like get back into your whole

[01:25:40] daniel like what is going on it's just are you all drunk or stupid or both weird

[01:25:46] and just like just absolutely like not adult behavior at all just totally stunned at yeah

[01:25:52] and then um just a few i mean just a few hours after that live devon workhizer who plays

[01:26:00] Ned post a notes ap apology so sorry to drake gutted i heard you i was being an idiot no way around

[01:26:06] it i feel horrible that my dumbass was even speaking about this without seeing it so again they're

[01:26:10] joking they didn't even watch it yeah i watched quite on set tonight and i'm horrified by the gravity

[01:26:15] of what drake another shared truly heartbroken about what my fellow actors went through i can't

[01:26:19] believe they weren't protected i'm sorry for compounding any hurt like what a blessed life devon workhizer

[01:26:24] has lived that he thought everyone was protected yeah and you will see you have to watch the

[01:26:30] documentary to know that it was a terrible thing that these people went through come on i mean like

[01:26:36] how far up your ass is your head and that you can't even think about gennemic herde you talked

[01:26:42] about it look at Amanda binds look at Britney Spears look at Drew Barrymore all these people that were

[01:26:49] like we a Lindy low hand oh my a dammy levato like my god there's like a whole kind of camp of

[01:26:56] the child stars that are also like trying to kind of speak out against it i remember um this happened

[01:27:05] a few months ago christie Carlson remano had alexa nicaela on her podcast and then was like making fun

[01:27:12] of alexa nicaela and like deleted the podcast and like like on the interview was like acting like she

[01:27:18] was with alexa about a bunch of this stuff and then after like it was a whole online mess yeah

[01:27:24] this was awesome yeah yeah christie Carlson remano yeah like i know she had to work with shyel

[01:27:31] above as a child so i'm sure she's been through it but like and i've seen the shit worst of the

[01:27:37] words i think she's really doing all maybe she's changed since then i haven't seen any new

[01:27:43] work content but i think she was doing a lot to kind of shill for the industry after this

[01:27:48] success that she had um as a child so yeah there's there's like two camps uh the people that have

[01:27:57] such cognitive dissonance that they can't accept you know what happened and the people that are

[01:28:01] speaking up and trying to improve the industry i can't believe any of that that's really good

[01:28:07] yeah i think that there is a lot more that we didn't talk but this feels like the highlights

[01:28:13] because we're not trying to traumatize ourselves or you anymore i feel like we did it anyway so

[01:28:23] yep but yes i think um that wraps up our recap at least and us talking about a quiet onset uh which

[01:28:33] again the the the crime magnets are here there's so much to talk about and i'm sure more stuff might

[01:28:40] even come out so let's see what happens but um i think now it's only fair that we end with how

[01:28:48] crime scene ends because listen we started with mess magnets so we got to end with crime scene

[01:28:54] so take it away girls uh so stasha how many magnifying glasses are you gonna rate quiet on set

[01:29:05] which is like i know and i just keep going back and forth because i really thought about it but

[01:29:09] anyway i'm gonna rate it a four out of five uh and because i think it touched a lot it it was moving

[01:29:19] all the right points for me that i needed to and um i feel like a lot of was left out especially

[01:29:27] about dan schneider so yeah again maybe because that's already covered i don't know but i just

[01:29:32] felt like we could have dove a little bit more deeper into that person how about you how many magnifying

[01:29:38] glasses you rated i'm really struggling because on the one hand i want to also give it a

[01:29:44] four because i think it's a really well made documentary and it does cover a lot but i also i

[01:29:49] think i'm gonna knock it down to a three that because i think that it should have been

[01:29:54] more parts and gotten into more of the abuse that happened at necologian like i just don't think

[01:30:00] i i doesn't sit right with me that they could just show three pedophiles faces and be like

[01:30:05] yeah there were more sex offenders and then only talk about two of the three let alone the others

[01:30:11] as well so i'm gonna knock it down to a three because it doesn't give all of the criminal activity

[01:30:17] that was going on but it isn't it's a well made documentary if you're in the mood to bum yourself out

[01:30:22] about you know child to be your child uh like it's a it's a well made documentary to watch

[01:30:30] and Sarah how about you how many magnifying glasses are you gonna read quite on set look i

[01:30:36] agree in in part with custom we don't often ask for things to be longer but this could have been

[01:30:43] longer i would recommend it i'm gonna give it four though it's very very well made but i would also

[01:30:50] recommend don't binge it don't binge it watch two episodes go for a walk maybe the next day

[01:30:57] watch another two but i'm gonna give it for there's extremely well made just arm yourself before

[01:31:03] you watch it because it can make you a little shaky how about you Murray how many magnifying glasses

[01:31:09] are you gonna write this stucky series i would i four was what i was thinking as well before we started

[01:31:16] this because i think i think it's really good i do think it's done really done really well um but

[01:31:23] i felt like they were limited by the constraints of things that were proven you know i'm saying

[01:31:28] like that's interesting i think that i think that's where unfortunately like the buck stops because

[01:31:34] idi doesn't want to be they don't want to be sued so they're like we have drake bell on record

[01:31:41] that's why i think they made him the main focus and then they said that we have these the

[01:31:45] the women writers we have these these kids stars that are willing to talk to us we can tell their

[01:31:50] stories but the other stars like Amanda binds so um jameeline spears they didn't have them there

[01:31:59] to cooperate so they i don't think they wanted to get sued so that that's my only thought process

[01:32:05] that's the only reason why i think they had to keep it to what they kept it to so um you know if

[01:32:10] that's the case i'm not gonna penalize them too much but what we did get i thought was very well

[01:32:16] done and like i said it is spark it's sparked the conversation there the conversation is

[01:32:21] happening right now online on twitter on social media and you know hopefully this will bring

[01:32:29] some sort of comfort the financial restitution something like i something i hope something

[01:32:39] else comes of this so that the victims and survivors could probably um be helped out a little bit

[01:32:45] more but i i liked it i thought it was equal parts um informative uh while also

[01:32:54] you know that like being sensational but also being really kind of rough to watch so

[01:33:01] yeah yeah agreed and uh usually if this is your first time listening to mess magnets we usually end

[01:33:07] our episode within anonymous uh listeners submitted mess but this didn't feel right

[01:33:15] i think that is why we're not gonna cover it this time if folks were wondering why we didn't do one

[01:33:21] um we didn't forget okay uh but come back next week of course to listen to both of our

[01:33:27] podcasts and with that uh marie where can the people find you of course you can find me on twitter

[01:33:33] at marie talks too much that's two like the number two uh i'll plug me and Sarah over on the crime

[01:33:39] scene podcast if you uh like a little bit of true crime a lot of bit of snarky comedy you can definitely

[01:33:46] catch you can definitely catch us over on crime scene like we said we um we reviewed documentaries

[01:33:54] docu series and we talked about like how they're produced and all that good stuff um so last week we

[01:34:00] dropped uh what was it uh was the truth about Jim yes the truth about Jim with omurza here um it was

[01:34:11] also a four-part docu docu series on max about a the the granddaughter this granddaughter tries to

[01:34:19] prove that her step grandfather is a serial killer from like in 1960s 1970s California it was very

[01:34:27] interesting we had a great chat with omur and so you can go catch us there by subscribing at

[01:34:33] robhaswobbsite.com slash crime feed um that's how you can get your crime scene you can also find me

[01:34:41] over on the wrestling rehab podcast with Matt Scott we're having a great season we're on the road

[01:34:46] to russle mania we're so close to the finish line um we've we had him we have wonderful guests but

[01:34:52] this week it was just me and Matt just doing our thing so you can go to robhaswobbsite.com slash

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[01:35:12] wrestling r-e-t-p-u-p. Sarah? Uh people can follow me if they'd like to do that at Sarah

[01:35:21] Caridin on all the things uh over on silent podcasts i'm just going to wrap up my coverage of

[01:35:28] Australian survivor titans versus rebels a absolutely brilliant season uh we we now know

[01:35:36] who won but in case you don't i am not going to say the name but very exciting episode coming up

[01:35:42] with david bloomberg just to repel that up and then also on silent podcasts your Aussie queens me

[01:35:49] and anabel fitler are going to be covering alone australia season two that's it perfect thank you

[01:35:58] and of course what about you kirsten yes i i mean if you're a crime scene listener uh come check out

[01:36:04] mess magnets with me and sasha we talk about slightly less bummer topics normally so

[01:36:11] they can be a nice um-tang listen to the crime and then you can come and listen to some gossip and

[01:36:16] just gap with the girls um i also guessed it on nothing but Netflix this past week talking about

[01:36:21] uh Lindsey lohan in irish wish which i thought was super fun and Lindsey Wilson and i are on bojack

[01:36:27] horse pod wrapping up coverage of toca and birdie um so you can check that out there and follow me

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