Crime Seen | Episode 94: MISTER ORGAN

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[00:07:03] Instead I watched someone

[00:08:03] I just know I felt uncomfortable watching it. I was, I was never taken in by the story.

[00:08:09] And even what I felt like was supposed to kind of be

[00:08:14] the big revelation at the end, I was like,

[00:08:19] this is not a revelation.

[00:08:20] I, yes.

[00:08:22] You know what I'm saying?

[00:08:23] Like I just, I don't, I wasn't sure about you, Mark. I don't mind things being unresolved.

[00:09:40] I don't mind them being messy.

[00:09:41] I don't mind them being bleak.

[00:09:44] And the documentaries that we've varied the most on in terms of our ratings, journalist, but with the sharp mind behind it, worked really well. And so I felt watching this, that he kept thinking that he was going to win whatever whatever win means. So was it his competitive side that came out after Michael shows him the key,

[00:11:01] gives him the key and it is indeed a key to his house.

[00:11:05] Don't you stop filming immediately there.

[00:12:01] Why? Yeah.

[00:12:05] I do have some thoughts about why I think he kept going,

[00:12:08] but perhaps they're controversial or wrong.

[00:12:08] I don't know. I'm only basing this over on the impression of one

[00:12:12] watch of one film.

[00:12:14] But I really believe that one of the reasons he kept going

[00:12:18] is that he sees himself in Michael Organ because, you know,

[00:12:22] he's constantly on about how Michael Organ as someone who is only after lies. And I think that the psychological pain of seeing his own methods used in a way that he feels is negative is almost too much for him to look away from because there might

[00:13:42] be some element of him that believes or perceives the piece, but I will say that I had to rewind several times because I was just kind of like, I would zone out.

[00:15:01] You know, unfortunately like the, so the reveal of like what happened with Brent, the, you know, it felt like they go through this whole story. Yes. Then they go through the, the, I mean,

[00:16:21] it seems like we go through the whole like seeing

[00:16:23] Michael O'Dan seeing his interactions with David.

[00:16:26] Then we, we cut waiting for David's revelation that Michael's been telling him all along who he is, and that David somehow wanted there to be more to the story. David goes to the family. David rings his, Michael Orban's father goes to the home of his other brother, is that we all die, and there's this feeling in the play of the tragedy of people not being able to see what's right in front of their faces, and we're left to sit in the discomfort of someone's blindness to what seems so obvious to us.

[00:19:01] And now I'm thinking, okay, if that is one was the guy at the very beginning who had the puppy play mask in the background of his apartment, and his bed was filled with Pokemon. And I thought, wow, what is it about? What is that?

[00:20:20] And then the next guy, the roommate who had all of the elaborate porcelain busts sitting

[00:20:26] behind him. from hell. Like, I don't think I even experienced anything half as bad as these people did. But I don't know what they they really experienced. You know, this is to me, fascinating thing, but none of them could be apart from the woman that he struck and who ran out of the house at, says this puts people in zombie mode and then you're able to control them. And so later I thought, ah, was David drawing a bit of a poetic arrow to explain what organ does to people psychologically rather than, and we didn't talk about this, but he faked being a lawyer, but the way that he knows just enough about the law in order to terrorize people is quite scary.

[00:24:20] That is quite scary because regular people like us,

[00:24:23] like you and me, like we're not really litigious

[00:24:27] if it's not warranted. perfectly legal clamping, it ends up in Parliament and they make a law because of Michael Organ. bonuses. So join me in the fun. Sign have to say? Yes, you do. In the car before my kids PTA meeting. Really? Yes! Excuse me, what's the weirdest place you've gotten lucky? I never win and tell. Well, there you have it. You can get lucky anywhere playing at LuckyLandSlots.com. Play for free right now.

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[00:28:27] This gets at something I was so curious about that one story

[00:29:40] that one of the people told about the judge

[00:29:43] follows Michael Organ and make sure he leaves the courtroom

[00:29:46] and then goes and tells the other people in court,

[00:29:48] run from this man. to say what the nature of their relationship is. They, or rather, Michael chooses not to say. I thought, I thought, I misheard that. Michael Organ is 37 years old. I think in that moment, he was saying that David Ferrier is 37. That's what I thought.

[00:31:01] David is 37. I think they're both 37.

[00:31:03] Oh, wow.

[00:31:06] He looks like he's, let's do that. Like it was so weird. Like I loved, I did love the, what it felt like the catharsis of David finally being like,

[00:32:22] I have been putting up with your crap for so long

[00:32:25] so I can get this documentary footage keep him going is to kind of lobby all this stuff at him that he'll have to defend type thing. You know what I'm saying? Cause Michael loves to defend himself. He does not like what he thinks are lies to stand. So if you want to keep him talking, you confront him with what he feels are lies in order for him to keep going.

[00:33:41] It was a very interesting confrontation.

[00:33:44] I think that was my favorite part of the movie. Court cases that were nothing to do with him. I'm not sure whether he was called as a witness. I couldn't get any details but The reason I keep saying allegedly is I don't want a Michael organ coming up to me. I Right So what were his actual crimes as later feel desperate or in the case of the one gentleman, uh drove him to take his own life but allegedly uh is yeah is is is being a

[00:36:21] monstrous person a crime. Yeah, that he later says were for two cars. It's so spongy until it goes to Parliament and then a law has to be written

[00:37:43] so that he can't do it anymore. I guess it. This man is just a terror. He is technically a terrorist that cannot be found by the law. Like he is terrorizing these people, but he's doing it in a legal way for most parts of it. It's so it's happening. And maybe that's the maybe that's the bigger crime here. It's the psychological cultural crime of refusing to participate by the rules that we all live by to make life manageable. And maybe what David

[00:40:21] Ferrier is doing is he can't he can't stop seeing how deep the

[00:40:25] well goes because he has some sort of inherent belief that stop and it didn't stop until that moment of confrontation when organ trespasses him for knocking on the door. They have a bit of a shout and then they sit down for coffee. It's such a a strange ending but a correct ending. It's like the moment in heat where they sit down in the diner. Yeah. And

[00:41:40] they are two sides of the same coin going back to what you

[00:41:43] were saying, Mark. Yeah, it's something that I couldn't, I would not watch again.

[00:43:01] Like I said, I had to keep rewinding it

[00:43:06] because I was like, am I missing something? Sarah, how about you? I'm going to give it a three and a half. I really liked talking about it. I almost feel like I could have given it a one or I could have given it a five. I wasn't sure. And so this is one I very much wanted to discuss. Pick behind the curtain. Mari didn't want to do this one.

[00:44:21] No.

[00:44:22] And I knew it.

[00:44:23] And I made her do it. That's fine. You make them good. You make the discussions work. I would say, if you said to me, would I recommend people watch this? I'd recommend they listen to us, but would I recommend that they watch Mr. Organ? I would say, in the words of the great Sarah D Bunting, yes, but.

[00:45:42] And I think it's good.

[00:45:45] I really like where it's more cerebral like this, I would probably want to intake it as a podcast more than anything. Because I mean, there was no visuals

[00:47:00] that really needed to be seen, except for like-

[00:47:03] Apart from him putting the key in the door.

[00:47:04] But I mean, you could do that with audio, got on the train and went all over the American West and was killing people all over the place. But he was doing it in an era before the culture even could conceive of serial killers and before law enforcement agencies were talking to each other. So it actually took all of this research later knowing how we what we know now to even see the pattern and they figure out who did it.

[00:48:22] And it's so well written watching after I watched Mr. Organ. I was like, okay, this is done. Let me get back to my love is blind. Yes.

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