Crime Seen | Episode 90: Great Photo, Lovely Life

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[00:00:24] Will Trent, new Tuesdays, 8- you've already subscribed, thank you very much. So, story, there are a few things that didn't add up to me with the IC kids who are in very vulnerable positions. I think what, and maybe I don't want to speak for all of us here, Sarah, but I think what we're, advocate for herself. So just thoughts on that. Yeah. Thank you so much for your letter. Yes, we love follow-ups and particularly from people in the fields where not well, Mary's in the medical field. I'm in the seizure and opera,

[00:06:44] we saw we didn't like but Amanda we're really grateful for your email.

[00:06:47] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sarah what did we watch this week?

[00:06:54] We watched the documentary Great Photo Lovely Life on Binge in Australia and Max in the US. It topped so many best-offs documentaries last year. It came in right at the end of 2023.

[00:07:02] We're bringing it to you at the beginning of 2024. We'll find out if we agree with our esteemed sexual abuse. If that's not for you today listeners you can hop off, we'll see you next time. Either way we'd like to give you some resources which we will link in the show notes. In Australia, 1-800-RESPECT, that's 1-800-737-732, or 1-800-RESPECT.org.au

[00:08:22] for sexual, domestic and family violence support.

[00:09:23] It was the first offence he was charged with, let's be real. He was given two years probation.

[00:09:26] He just moved.

[00:09:27] Charged again in 1992, he went to prison and served two and a half years of a four-year

[00:09:32] sentence.

[00:09:33] He was laid off the rest for good behaviour, the prison chaplain saying he was a man of

[00:09:38] God.

[00:09:39] But he wasn't was a drag queen, right?

[00:09:43] In this documentary, photojournalist Amanda Mustard investigates sexual abuse committed in heaven meet everybody, they're all going to hold hands and sing. And he does say, trigger warning, I don't want to do bad things. These little girls would throw themselves at me walk down that path that we kind of see in the bridge going between the shores and everything. It looked, I couldn't tell specifically where the houses

[00:12:22] but they felt so familiar. nice to see a photojournalist kind of doing the same thing. And it just then got hard as like, it was always going to be you start off with it being very uncomfortable, right? Of her confronting the grandfather and it almost never stops. There's always because the actions that he

[00:13:40] has, it's a chain. And it's just a series of of hard conversations. And at the end, I was just like, oh my God, how am I going to do it? It was definitely a big ache factor. And so it really made me think like Amanda did a great job with this, like such a hard and hard subject. And the fact that her, it's her family is not, it's not only him and his victims that are

[00:15:04] outside of the family, but the, his like interviewed the perpetrators and stuff like that. But I felt like in this regard, it was very necessary. But like, I could not imagine being one of his victims and having to see him here,

[00:16:20] or just being a survivor of sexual assault or sexual abuse and seeing this.

[00:16:25] It was very skin crawly to begin with. is kind of high and I think that I definitely met the expectations. So that's always good. Yeah, we see Amanda in what is generally B-roll on other shows, which you know is a little filler or a little visual thing, but here the what would be B-roll normally of her going through papers of

[00:17:41] her looking through photographs of her sorting through film was really fundamental to the telling grandfather calls him her brother doesn't name the his son Paul. So that's a whole other story that we don't know about, but it's hinted at. I really got a sense of the weight of the history. And partly because of how she looks, we don't talk about how people look,

[00:19:00] but Amanda has a very fresh system is like, it is. It's a lot. And I think one of the strengths of this documentary is they don't tell us explicitly like the timeline of like how long they the document the documentary And the same sentence that he says, oh, I feel so bad. I feel so sorry because I didn't want to do those bad things to also being like, but she loved it. And it was just that thought process of him trying

[00:23:01] to almost seem contrite, but then letting his name. He is, you know, definitely an old man or an older man. He's

[00:24:24] an old man. But he's fairly pale and hearty in his sort of nice and takes it away from her daughter Angie, who she put in the situation where her father had access to her daughter. I don't care if your mother promises to look after her, you know, every other day, pedophiles will find a way. And did your mother,

[00:25:40] did your mother look after you?

[00:25:42] Exactly, exactly.

[00:25:43] They can't look.

[00:25:44] Why are you so confident?

[00:25:46] The taking on of that victim role I'm an atheist, but the look that Amanda shoots the camera and she is compelled to pray with Brooke, one of the, I'm sorry, is Bonnie, one of the victims. She wants to go back to where it happened, which is extraordinarily brave. She wants to picture it in her mind and kind of take the power away. And I love that. She's very nervous to go in. She has to walk around a little bit and settle herself.

[00:28:22] But the state she comes out in was caused by. Right, right, right. Yeah, I don't understand the fear that some people have about apologizing. I think it's a shame. People who have so much shame already cannot face it.

[00:29:44] If someone else brings up, you know, we we all basically, yeah, we we turned him in and we just wanted him out of there. He couldn't do like the thing he wanted to do anymore. But yeah, I was like, then I was past the buck.

[00:31:03] And didn't even turn them into the police.

[00:31:07] They fired him and put him in outside of his medical field or outside of the umbrella of being green frustrated because what I was hearing was a woman who was a little girl who, first of all, truly never believed these pedophiles because the whole story of like they wanted it and they make it into like some kind of love story. And then you hear her say, he

[00:33:42] told me that he would kill my parents if I told anyone that freaking monstrous stuff like, why are these women like, like, they got for them? Because obviously, like, still, that's two years he couldn't have been around someone, right? So we can't say that her coming forward didn't do anything. And like, but it's like, I get so angry at the thought of like, there's these women who did nothing wrong

[00:35:01] and yet feel so much responsibility of to other people

[00:36:07] part of the emotionality of the storytelling is how, how God damn beautiful it is. The way it's shot, the way it's framed, I mean any film of course. But even the use of the old photographs,

[00:36:15] and then between looking at the photographs we might look at a brooch or a badge or something

[00:36:20] that has an emblematic salesman, we get video footage

[00:37:44] of her grandfather took himself. Yeah, it's, it's, you don't want to say it's fascinating. It's amazing to see, but it's, it's very, she, she did a very good job of utilizing all the footage that she had. She had a lot of, she said she had a lot of footage. Um, and it was well done again. Nothing about this documentary felt, um, exploitive to me.

[00:39:00] So I think that's what I really liked, especially how it, how it was produced and

[00:39:04] made and stuff like that.

[00:40:04] be looking at that content for any reason. Those little girls were doing nothing but just walking around. That was enough for him apparently. So just remember that protector kids, they don't have

[00:40:12] agency over themselves before 18 years old. Another me of just how the human mind works and really taking it out of that and just understanding a little bit. So yeah, those are my main little things to sprinkle.

[00:41:41] I think we could talk to us as long and still not be finished.

[00:41:45] Yeah, I do want to continue talking about the mother. There's a reason for that. You know what I'm saying? Bill's wife, Lois, she'll ask the grandmother, literally turned her back and a blind eye to her, what her husband did. So much so that every time he did something and got kicked out of somewhere, she picked up and moved around and pretended like it didn't happen.

[00:43:00] So much so that when Angie wrote Sex on a Mirror

[00:43:03] and Red lipstick and she asked her about it,

[00:43:05] she did nothing about it.

[00:43:07] To the cycle, you know,

[00:44:20] mom is not as bad off as grandma,

[00:44:23] you're not as bad off as mom

[00:44:24] and your daughters will never have to deal

[00:44:26] with any of that.

[00:46:46] unpacking your sexual abuse trauma and then having to reconcile that with a person you knew. Seeing that over a span of years is definitely heartbreaking. And I think this

[00:46:55] property deserves all of the credit and all of the accolades that it's getting because

[00:47:00] it felt like a real raw and a real story. I'm going to go back and look at a couple of her documentaries as well, which have caught my eye. So yeah, definitely five

[00:48:23] magnifying glasses. Nicole, what do you have Just say hi, give us your reaction, tell us what we got wrong, tell us what we got right, and what we missed, if anything. So Melissa Wright's hi, Mari and Sarah, hi Melissa. Just wanted to say I love your podcast. Thank you. Great way to start. If everyone wants to take a little leaf out of Melissa's book, you can start like that.

[00:49:40] I'm an R H O P fan, but usually I don't stray away from survivor and big brother recaps.

[00:50:45] Thank you so much and thank you for straying over to us. Look at you. Come on over to the scene. We love it. And Anna, a listener has a recommendation as well. The companion podcast to Murder in Boston.

[00:50:52] We covered the docuseries in episode 84 with Geoworthy. It's not just an after show, but a more deep

[00:50:59] dive than the show. It's made by reporters from the Boston Globe. And in one episode, they talk

[00:51:04] about the media's role in everything that happened. There's just like a warming and it's not even a crime show. So it's funny. So I was watching you are what you eat on Netflix. It's called you are what you eat, the twin experiment. And if you've seen it on Netflix, it's been trending in the top for a few days.

[00:52:20] It's a four-part TV show that the hook weeks, they told them that they could cook for themselves. They just had to adhere to some guidelines. They also gave them access to like a personal trainer. Before this because it was hiding in all of that. Like if you put the actual twin stuff, like the actual experiment together, it was probably maybe enough for an episode and a half. The rest of it, yes, the rest of it was telling me how bad I eat.

[00:55:05] And I was like, I don't like this.

[00:55:08] That's so cool. It was like, I was like, why? Why? I still watched all four episodes because I was like cleaning up. I gotcha. They did. And I wanted to see how the end went with the twins. I wanted to see like, well, how did the experiment go? Spoiler. You don't really learn much. Like, it was not a visible difference between most of the twins.

[00:56:23] I think some of the people didn't even like stick to it as much as they should have.

[00:57:25] highlighted a lot of they had at the end, they highlighted a lot of vegan companies like this vegan cheese place is trying to make better vegan cheese. This vegan bodega in New York is

[00:57:31] trying to make vegan bodega snacks more affordable. So like, I do think they did a good job of,

[00:57:39] you know, talking about the government impacts, but a So that's like the Secret Service. They have slipped in some way. They have made a big mistake or they've had a scandal and they all go and work at a place called Sl Stasi dungeons, which I've seen. The Stasi cells, which I've seen in Berlin, they are not places that you want to am covering reality TV on collider that usually overlaps with what I'm doing with Black by reality. So I'm writing about the traders, I'm recapping the traders.

[01:01:40] But February is also gonna be very interesting

[01:01:42] on the Black by reality podcast.

[01:01:44] I am going to be dropping some coverage on some series that get started. We're going to have multiple survivors on to talk about wrestling with us in this season. So much is coming forward. We're going to have on-site content when we go to WrestleMania. So make sure you subscribe to Rob has a website dot com slash wrestling feed and also follow the rehab grams Instagram for like when we drop all of that amazing amazing content.

[01:04:23] And that's it.

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